I Met a girl...

[Jonte]

I was out partying yesterday and met a very very very cute girl..

We talked and it went allright, or it went the way it always does when Im out at clubs who play pretty loud music. I tend to get more silent and pretty hard blocks when talking in loud enviroments. mainly because I have to speak direct to the ear and say everything very clear and exact, I cant just be relaxed and improvise forward in my speech.

so we hanged and talked for an hour or two, then the club closed and we went to mcdonalds and ordered a hamburger and sat down and eat and talked and so

then we were going to seperate I was going to the busstation and she was going to take the subway home, but we waited for awhile and had a nice time talking, laughing, huging and kissing and so. she told me that i had to take her number which I did.

when I take a girls number I never call the next day, partly because of the stutter issue but very often I dont feel interested niether. So it just feels as a waste of time to talk, maybe reveal some stutter, if she notice, and then nothing more happends because I dont have the interest to continue. then I often feel its better to not call at all, since I dont see a future with the girl anyhow.

But this time it is so different.. this girl was exactly what I like. I even feel butterflies in my stomach when I think about it, that was ages ago i felt :o

anyhow, I actually called her for a moment ago after alot of hesitation.. I really wanted to call but It felt like I hade some stutter in my body (sometimes It feels like I can feel the stutter in me, without talking or anything.. anybody else feel that way?) so I hesitated. then I slept for a while and woke up feeling relaxed, motivated and fluent so I called her right away. We talked for a half an hour or maybe more and at the end she asked if we should meet and drink coffe or something in the week. of course I said and we decided to call each other some other day soon and decide something.

but man, I am scared... for the first time ever I really want to go further with a girl I met out like that. I really want to meet her again, and I will but im nervous. I had almost given up hope to meet a girl which I really felt for, so I must do something here.

she suggested taking a cup of coffee, so if im not coming up with a better idea I guess that is what will happend next. but I feel alot of negative feelings of going to a cafe... but I really feel negative feelings of any possible situation where speechblocks can appear so, I dont know..

I need feedback here guys (and girls)

[Requiem]

You should take your chances and go to the coffee shop with her because she might get the impression that you're clearly not interested in her and then you might not get a second chance. So you shouldn't let your nerves get the better of you because you can prove to yourself that you can put yourself out there. It's really good that you found someone that you can really connect with, not many people are that priveledged so you should consider yourself lucky and not let her slip away..when you meet up with her, let her know at some point that you do have a stutter (to which she will understand) and take your time with your speech, no one's in a hurry. Instead of having negative feelings, think of of the positive things that are going to happen with this girl like how much of a good time you're going to have and the fact that you can really connect with her. Just when you feel you're going to have a block just take a deep breath and take your time speaking. You'll be fine and good luck!

[kghayesh]

Well Karima, I guess people know when they talk to stutterers that they stutter. If they didn't know then they have a hearing problem more serious than stuttering !!! So, I think she knows whether Jonte stutters or not.

I was in the same situation as Jonte before. This girl I know she took my e-mail from her friend and we chatted through a lot. She thought I was a so interesting person from our conversations. Then she asked to meet me and we met. I feel it so much that she thought that I was a different person than the one she chats with. I asked to meet her again go to a movie or something but I felt like she wasn't interested in me anymore.

The normal thing when a date fails that the 2 people don't know each other anymore and they just don't call or stick around. The strange thing is that she kept chatting to me online even though she found i wasn't interesting at all when she met me. She thinks I am a great person from the inside, but the way i present my inside is my problem. So, I am not an interesting person to meet but I am a great person to chat to :mad:

We get along very well and we have so so much fun. But only online !!!! I can easily ask her out again but I know it would be a repitition to that first date. Even I think she feels it. Now, she doesn't tell me to call her anymore although she waits for me to sign in and we end up talking a long long time. We live so near to each other but I only saw her once although we know a lot about each other !

Don't you think this is RIDICULOUS !!!!!!

[Standingtall]

The model Jonte is in LOVE. Don't raise your expectation too high, try and put yourself like it is a normal day. Make the date and if it is really important to let her know that you stutter, then tell her then. Sooner or later, you are going to have to share your feelings about your stutter and maybe you can start with her. Well, that is my 2 cents, Canadian, Worth.

[jak]

If you like this girl just tell her you stutter ,if she likes you it wont matter ,:)

[Jeff99]

i use to be like u i would go out clubbing talk to chicks after a few drinks rarely stuttered after a few drinks with the loud music.never called the next day.until like yourself i met this amazing girl we had the best time she gave me her number.i thought about calling for a few days then i messaged her a simple text message saying how r u? etc nothng about my speech. we messaged like 100 times a day til i called her. didn't tell her i had a speech problem no need right? she already knew they always know we think we hide it but we don't. i told her anyway since then we have been seeing each other all the time talking on the phone all the time. i love her she loves me been seeing each other for about 6 months now. but all starts with taking the chance. don't let anything hold you u back so u have a speech problem we can either stay home crying about how hard life is with it or do something about it. postive minds make postive poeple. if u can look at the good things in life u'll have no problems. there are many people out there with much worst things going on than a stutter.

[Host of Chaos]

meeting grils is hard when you stammer cos youre trying so hard to be nice and you get angry inside at stuttering and try to be nice and angry at the sametime is hard.

[mayaB]

Stuttering has never been a problem with dating for me. (I'm a girl) even when I was doing the asking out. (just my character) As others have already said.. if there's attraction stuttering doesnt count.

[claragazza]

For me stuttering has really been a big problem for dating. I always had this feeling that boys fled when they first heared me speak (at least when sober).

Maybe part of the fear was in my head. I have had quite "cruel" experiences though so not everything is in the head.

[Jonte]

Very nice to read all comments.

One thing about my speach though. I dont have repetations or delays, I et silent blocks, usually few and small ones which are pretty unnoticable and easy to handle. And I'm sure she does not know of my speech problems, since I havn't exposed any big block yet, even though we have talked some. I have whole conversations without blocks often and when I am about to have blocks I can sense it in me long before I am even trying to talk. Its just like I get in the "block-mood" in some situations and just like any other mood it can stay for an hour or an whole evening or maybe I week. The blocks dosnt just fall from the sky into my mouth, therefore I have realized that I create this blocks by myself in some way, by getting into the block-mood. And im pretty sure that I can learn how to avoid getting in the "block-mood", but I havnt founded out how yet. It think its pretty complicated stuff since this is a behavoir I've built up for years. I dont know, maybe all stuttering-issues are like mine, with the block-mood and all, though mine is mild? Anyone else who can relate to that?

An update on how is it going: She called me yesterday and we had a long great talk with jokes and so on, it really feels good. Im so glad I've found a girl that I can talk to and feel relaxed and interested at the same time, that was very long time ago and I had almost given up hope. Anyway we decided to go and have a beer on friday :)

I have no plans of telling her about my speech-issues, mostly because the most of the issues are in my head and not in my speech. It feels like I'm sure of that if I told her, it would get me into the "block-mood" and so far I have been in a pretty fluent mood while talking to her, so there is really no need for it. At least not yet.

[Standingtall]

Thanks for the update and good luck on Friday. Any plans for halloween next week? No pressure from us, it is only advice and it is up to you if you want to take our advice or not. Your the expert in your affairs. Good luck and thanks for the update.

[bignick]

Jonte,

Its good news for you all the way and arent you pleased you have phoned her up and arranged going out for a beer on Friday.

Its always a good sign that you feel relaxed and can be yourself with her. Hope the date goes very well and dont forget to let us know how everything is going.

Nick

[Jonte]

I just have to share some... I felt so good after I have talked to her the last time when she called me and we talked for a while and it went so good and all. Then I felt so positive and optimistic about everything that I almost thaught that speech-blocks was no bigger issue for me no more, since I have had two great days without any significant blocks.

But yesterday when I came home from work it just felt like a bomb falled from the sky and landed on me. Thaughts like "there is no difference from now or then, I still stutter as much as always I have just not been put in any challenging situations for these two days" just entered my mind from nowhere and it felt like I got stabbed with a knife in my stomach. From being happy and optimistic I got extremely anxieous in just seconds, I got so anxieous it felt like I had to throw up.

And then a friend called me, and we talked a little so I thaught that I was going to make a challenge and see. You know the thing is that like I said that I can have whole conversations without blocks, but I almost always get blocks when Im about to tell something that have happend, you know like a story. So I challenged myself and started telling the story about a guy we know, and yes, of course I got blocks. Big ones too. After we had hang up I told to exakt same story to myself, and of course didnt have a single block.

So what is right and what is wrong? Can I even trust those optimistic feelings? Maybe they do more bad and good. Im not telling all optimistic feelings are bad, but those feelings I felt those days wasnt true, they were false. They werent safe and solid, they were borned in a very confused mind.

Last night I felt chaotic all night, I layed awake just thinking and thinking and thinking what the hell the problem really is. Why can I talk fluent in some ways, and get blocks in other ways? Those days when I think I have fluency, and Im in a good mood and optimistic, can I really trust my feelings on those days? No I cant, for my problem remains. I'm not fluent, I have just talked in the ways I can handle and not challenged myself and talked in ways that I get blocks.

And I think I have cleared out why I do get blocks in some way of speaking, and other dont. When I talk in ways I dont get blocks, It's like Im swimming in shallow water all the time. I only say comments, tell very short things, ask questions, tell feelings and stuff like that. Things that can be ended anytime.

For example, if someone asks "What have you done today?" I can answer totally fluent: "Well, first I went training on the gym, then I got back home and watched a movie and coocked some chicken and then I called you. What have you done today?" I would never say: "I went to the gym and excercised, and do you know what happend? You know Johnny that guy from blablabla.. He came to me and said blablabla.. and then I called and asked blablabla".

You see the difference? If Im about to tell something a story with a point, I cant just end it anytime, I must speak until the point has been shown. But when I get on telling what I have done, I can end it anytime so therfore I dont feel that I have no expectations from the listener. Actually I do have expectations, because everybody that listen to someone expects something. But I dont feel that I have it. On the other hand if I'm starting to tell a story about what has happend in my day, I feel that I have expectations and therefore I start to block. I am pretty sure thats the way it is. The thing is that I have learned to speak in the no-expectations way in ways so I can speak for a pretty long time, and speak pretty much, but still only on shallow water. I never swim out to deep waters and start speaking about things that i cant end anytime.

And about the girl, I'm still going to meet her. I have no choice because If i dont I will loose all respect for myself. Though, I have changed my expectations about everything a bit. Im not as optimistic anymore and Im not pessimistic niether.. it will go as it goes. And if it dosn't goes good I'm still very happy that I have met someone that I can get interested in and relaxed with. That gives me hope for the future too. So its cool anyhow.

But, I wish I could swim into deeper water and talk with the thaugths of expectations sometimes. I gets so tired about only swimming on shallow water when talking, I wanna get into real deep water and describe a real complicated thing, or tell a long funny story about my life. I know I can physically, there is nothing wrong with my speech, but psychological I just cant. My mind cant handle expectations of speech.

[mayaB]

Jonte. You have the exact same experience in stuttering that I do. There was another thread sometime ago about you meeting a childhood friend and you talked about how your stutter sort of came back that night. It felt like it was me writing. and this time as well you are describing exactly my stutter. My stutter can go unheard and infact many people in my life dont know I stutter. I've learned to skim through conversation.. like a stone that skids on the water. One phrase jumps into the other.. But they are phrases mostly, not sentences that make up a paragraph, that then make up a book. When I speak to a person tete a tete I'm fine as well. When there are two people it becomes a problem. When I met my husband we had a great time talking.. he didnt know I stuttered. But I felt that relationship was serious so I told him, because as person that is going to share life with you should know things like that. So I told him what art I liked, I told him what were my favorite dishes, and I told him I stuttered.
hey. by the way what sign are you?

[Jonte]

Jonte. You have the exact same experience in stuttering that I do. There was another thread sometime ago about you meeting a childhood friend and you talked about how your stutter sort of came back that night. It felt like it was me writing. and this time as well you are describing exactly my stutter. My stutter can go unheard and infact many people in my life dont know I stutter. I've learned to skim through conversation.. like a stone that skids on the water. One phrase jumps into the other.. But they are phrases mostly, not sentences that make up a paragraph, that then make up a book. When I speak to a person tete a tete I'm fine as well. When there are two people it becomes a problem. When I met my husband we had a great time talking.. he didnt know I stuttered. But I felt that relationship was serious so I told him, because as person that is going to share life with you should know things like that. So I told him what art I liked, I told him what were my favorite dishes, and I told him I stuttered.
hey. by the way what sign are you?

Phrases, exactly. It sounds like we have the same stutter. Do you also only get silent blocks? What do you think about that theory on expectations and all? I know why I started to stutter, and that theory fits so well in with the expectations-theory, so for me like I said, I'm almost sure that is the reason.

I'm a cancer. What are you?

[Standingtall]

I'm a cancer.
I really hope you are not. :D

[Jonte]

I really hope you are not. :D

Haha, okay. I niether have or am cancer. But I'm borned in the zodiac cancer sign or however you say it.

I was so nervous all day yesterday, sometimes I even thaught of bailing out and just cancel the whole thing. But I think I deep down already had decided that there are no choices, I had to do it.

I met her and we decided to go and take a beer somewhere, we walked around in town looking for a nice place to sit down but we couldnt find anything good enough.. some where full and some where not nice enough. So we walked around for maybe an hour before we found anything. At that time I was very nervous and a little insecure about speaking and so. You know when you are nervous about your stuttering and are tensed, you just want to say everything.. at least I, get obsessed by the thaught of telling things, and I think thats the things who messes everything up. When you are fluent you dont go around and thinking about things to say, your mind is more peace and if you come to think about something you wanna say you just say it. I think we, who have stutteringproblems just think the heck to much. More on that later..

Anyway, finally we found a place to sit down so we did and we ordered. In the beginning it was a little tense, at is always is when you do something like this. Of course she was nervous to, even though she dosnt stutter. So we sat and talked for a while, and then we talked some more, and after a while it suddenly hit me that I dont think about my talking. We just talked, spontenous, we both got very relaxed and everything went real smooth. Of course I got some bigger silentblocks sometimes, and I hesitated a little and watched her reaction, but she didn't react on it at all.

I started to get a grip of the situation and got relaxed and confident, and so did she so it really was good. The restaurant closed and she asked "So, what are wo going to do now? Maybe we can go see a movie?" This was the ultimate confidence-boost for me, now I knew that everything was allright. If she didnt like spending time with me, she wouldnt wanna keep hanging out, especially not since she was going up early and go work tomorrow. If she didnt like it, she would have a real great explanation to sign off for the night, but she didnt.

At this time I didnt think about "I need to say this, I need to say that" anymore like in the beginning when we were looking for a restaurant. My mind was peace and still and if something popped up in my mind I just said it. Yes, sometimes with small blocks but It just didnt matter at all! You see, the mind and the thaughts is the thing that mess us up mostly, and because of that we create a big percent of the blocks ourself.

We took the subway to the theater, but there weren't any nightmovies. At this point we had started flirting very much, you know how, laughing, touching eachother, huging, kissing some and all that. We didnt want to end it here so we thaugh about goging to another place and have another drink, but since she was going to work tomorrow we called it off. I asked her if she wanted to hang out some more or if we should do something another day instead, "I dont knooow", she said hesitating. At this point I knew what she was thinking of and she knew what I was thinking of but she didnt dare to ask it, so I did it. "Okay, but maybe we can go to your place and watch a movie instead, but then I have to sleep at your place, because there're no busses that late you know." Haha, what a hit. She looked at me for a awhile, she was hesitating, you know girls and their princips about fist dates. "Allright, but dont have any expectations for the night, okay?" she said smiling. "Its cool", I answered. The rest of the night and the morning after just went smooth as cream, nothing special to tell more than we acted like silly lovebirds, and it was nice. It was nice to just feel relaxed and intimous with her at the same time. I think I like her, I dont know if I'm in love, maybe I will be but at least I like her much. she is very cute and very charming, so relaxed and feminine. :rolleyes:

If I just knew that It would go this good when I left home yesterday.. man. My mind is so calmer now than it wore for the last days this week. Now I know that all these negative thaughts I get about myself is all bullshit. If I, with my ed up mind and ed up thaughts, could manage this any of you who read this who might have similiar problems can, I promise. I dont say that my mind is cured after this, I'm sure I will have alot of bad thaughts about myself and hard situations and so on many more times, but maybe this was the challenge I needed to get to know that I actually am allright and not as ed up as I think, so maybe I will learn how to stop listening to all the bad thaughts, and if I stop listen to all the bad thaughts maybe they will, over time, dissappear more and more.

This was my first real big challenge since I got extremely aware of my stutter and got depressed over it for six months ago. I know that when you read about things like this its easy to think "yeah, he did it. but thats he, I cant". So did I also think when I read about stuff like this, but you have to j u s t d o i t. I thaught like this "well, I really like her, and things cant so much more worse about this issue than it already are. If I stay home I will feel like a coward piece of shit, if I go there anyhting can happend. It can get terrible, it can get embarassing, it can get ed up in anyway, but It might also be allright, or even good, or maybe maybe even very good. And if i dont go I will NEVER know, and if I will never know I will never develop myself away from this bad pattern. However it will end up, bad or good I will learn something about it and develop".

Yeah ,thats it. thank you guys for the nice support. I think we all are good people. I think our stutter takes us to levels and give us insights most people dont get. Or at least it makes us think and be alive, even if many thaughts (at least mine) are not that good, but anyhow.. :p

[Jeff99]

they say that because we stutter an have had this trouble thought out life that we are more in touch with our feeling we are will to listen we care more. My girlfiend tells me she has never meant anyone like me lol i am one of a kind but thats a whole different story. she tells me that her past partners never care as much never listen to her. did things she like my speech with her is cool but the past year since the course my speech has been better an better. i'm alot happier now. she know i stutter i don't hide the fact i have all my life it has made me who i am today the kind caring person the one she loves.

The fisrt time i saw her was about 5 months ago i was at a mates hourse for a party his girlfriend brought her friends along. i looked at her thought i had no change she is amazing everything to me now but back then i saw her as a god she is my dream girl you know when ur young an you dream of meeting someone. my was blondle gorgeous kind funny smart all that. and vicky matches that i was shocked when we started talking using my techquie i learnt in the course my speech was great she asked why i was tralking like i was i told her. didn't change anything if anything made her more interested in me. anyway people don't care if u stutter if u look ugly etc what people really care about is if your a good person or not. i was call myself a fun loving joker who loves making people smile love my gf with everything i've got she is my world. the trick to any thing in life is being postive about it. Postive minds make postive poeple. when u can look on the bright side of life nothing seems that hard.

[Standingtall]

Jonte, Wow, play by play action, I think you are after PowerOfThree's star position on my movies.

I'm an Scorpio. The surface is smoth on the top, but the river runs deep and very turbenlant underneath. I knew a friend who was very into those signs stuff. I read so much about it and it is very interesting. I have a brother who is also an Scorpio, his wife is an Scorpio and two of three kids are Scorpio's. Interesting, eh!

[3FingerBrown]

Very happy for you Jonte.
And I agree with Jeff about being more empathetic and caring.

When someone describes how much it hurt when they dropped a table on their foot, my foot starts to hurt.

The last girl I cared about said I was very intouch with my feminine side... Just what a young man wants to hear. :rolleyes:

[happy7117]

Very happy for you Jonte.
And I agree with Jeff about being more empathetic and caring.

When someone describes how much it hurt when they dropped a table on their foot, my foot starts to hurt.

The last girl I cared about said I was very intouch with my feminine side... Just what a young man wants to hear. :rolleyes:

The last girl I cared about said I was very intouch with my feminine side

In touch with my feminine side?? What did she mean by that?? I know I have heard that phrase before, but I was not sure what it meant...

[3FingerBrown]

She was pleased that I cared about her feelings.
Believe me, I hate shopping and love belching. :D
If I had to shave 1/2 my body and wax the other half, make myself up like a clown and feel a need to have more than 3 pairs of shoes I think I'd have to kill myslef. Ok.. maybe not kill myself. Unless I also had to watch the View... that would have to be the end.

[happy7117]

She was pleased that I cared about her feelings.
Believe me, I hate shopping and love belching. :D
If I had to shave 1/2 my body and wax the other half, make myself up like a clown and feel a need to have more than 3 pairs of shoes I think I'd have to kill myslef. Ok.. maybe not kill myself. Unless I also had to watch the View... that would have to be the end.

Nothing wrong with having feminine qualities!! I love shopping. I love to have my eye-brows waxed truthfully. We live how we want to live, we act how we want to act...

[Host of Chaos]

im going bald so i wanto keep as much hair asi can so no waxing for mne. i hear it soar to so i dont like pain.

[ef1]

Ohh ok take it from me i stutter pretty bad sometimes but i get girls. I go to parties and clubs and i meet girls. Some girls like me , some dont. I really dont think any girls care if you stutter, its really not a big deal. Girls usualy care more about job, money, and education haha which is a much bigger deal to them. I think for the girl online you should just say hey i know we had a horrible first time when we met but maybe this time will be better, we should meet again.


Well Karima, I guess people know when they talk to stutterers that they stutter. If they didn't know then they have a hearing problem more serious than stuttering !!! So, I think she knows whether Jonte stutters or not.

I was in the same situation as Jonte before. This girl I know she took my e-mail from her friend and we chatted through a lot. She thought I was a so interesting person from our conversations. Then she asked to meet me and we met. I feel it so much that she thought that I was a different person than the one she chats with. I asked to meet her again go to a movie or something but I felt like she wasn't interested in me anymore.

The normal thing when a date fails that the 2 people don't know each other anymore and they just don't call or stick around. The strange thing is that she kept chatting to me online even though she found i wasn't interesting at all when she met me. She thinks I am a great person from the inside, but the way i present my inside is my problem. So, I am not an interesting person to meet but I am a great person to chat to :mad:

We get along very well and we have so so much fun. But only online !!!! I can easily ask her out again but I know it would be a repitition to that first date. Even I think she feels it. Now, she doesn't tell me to call her anymore although she waits for me to sign in and we end up talking a long long time. We live so near to each other but I only saw her once although we know a lot about each other !

Don't you think this is RIDICULOUS !!!!!!

[Standingtall]

Any more news Jonte?
This has a better story line than my movies.

[Jamester]

Hey Adam,

Are you trying to keep a unibrow under control?

Jamie

[happy7117]

Hey Adam,

Are you trying to keep a unibrow under control?

Jamie

I better be! My younger bro. who is a few yrs younger than me likes to tease me about it saying, "Look at Adam's eye brows how they don't seperate, it's just one big eyebrow!"

That's humiliating, then I think, "I must get these eye brows waxed!" "I hate having this unibrow!"

[Standingtall]

Hey Adam,

Are you trying to keep a unibrow under control?

Jamie
A woman who has a keen eye for details.

[Jamester]

My step-grandson is 13yo. He recently entered junior high. He has always had a unibrow and thought it was cool until the girls made fun of him. He got so upset he plucked the center in school with his nails. Needless to say, his mother had to fix it a bit. He looks so different. I personally think unibrows are attractive.

Jamie

[1 Less]

(sometimes It feels like I can feel the stutter in me, without talking or anything.. anybody else feel that way?)

I always feel that way, and when i do feel it that's when i start saying "um um." In my opinion that feeling is worse then the actual stutter. I've kinda had a problem similar to yours, my now girlfriend thought i wasn't interested in her because i never called, it was because of my stuttering ontop of how nervous i was. But anyways, it's good that you met a girl and talking on the phone with your stutter. Maybe your stutter won't be as effective without the butterflies too.

[Standingtall]

You should see my unibrow then :D

Anyway, putting that aside :cool: , our friend who began this thread has been very quiet of late. I hope that all is well with him in his life.
I'll start working on mine unibrow.

You know those models are always on the move. I was really enjoying reading his play by play with his girlfriend. Maybe he is married now and they are working on kids. I agree with need an update.

[Jeff99]

Lets Face Facts Here meeting a Girl is hard enough without a Stutter Right? We think or some Stutterers Think that because we Stutterer Girls aren't Going to talk to us they aren't going to listen so they hide it an in doing that u are hiding a part of u that makes u who u are. i've dated in the past try to hide my speech with umm and that but it was putting extra Pressure on mmyself Pressure that i didn't need to. i now dating the girl of my dreams have been for about 6 months now my prevoius longest relationship was about 6 weeks i think that was because i was putting so my pressure on myself to hide things about myself rather than just enjoy the time together i was choosing my words really seemed boring. With Vicky my Girlfreind now who moves in this week thats Scarey lol. i told her the first time i met her i tell everyone i proud of myself. i have a stutter but what has it don't for my i listen more. it's a proven fact that people with stutter are more understanding more careing why hide that. she thinks i'm awesome most people rather than saying he has a stutter look at him or what ever are saying look at Jeff he is happy funny a great guy the last thing they think about is my speech. i know i different to most people here i took the McGuire Programme i'm trying hard to recover or at least Control my stutter which i'm doing. Here is a free tip u only get out what u put in. Even the Darkest time have a bright light. what i'm saying is being urself no matter who u are is the greatest feeling the greatest thing to help u understand urself better an once u do all this ur speech does get better. but most importantly don't hide who u really are or u will never find happiness. Do u want some to love Part of u all the whole Package ask urslef that. The Greatest Joy Came with understanding who u r an what u want. Love is the greatest Key to life why only go after parts of it.

[Jeff99]

Oh dear.

Life is over as you know it my friend. It happens very slowly, but one day you will wake up, and realise that you're totally under your woman's control.

Well, so the oldies on the forum tell me anyway!

i don't mind letting her on top lol.

[Standingtall]

i don't mind letting her on top lol.
relaxing and hands behind your head. Yup, I see an control issue here. :D