Politics

[Sup2u]

Thoes of you from USA(or out of country please feel free to give opinion). Do you like Bush? Why or why not?

[Ron]

I do like Bush, as amatter of fact im all for Bush. I believe what he is doing with the war is right and justified. For Bush its a lose lose situation, let me explain what i mean. 9/11 terrorists attacked our twin towers Bush declared war it was granted, nobody wants to be in war, if Bush didnt declare war everyone would be mad because Bush isnt "defending" our country. If i was in Bush's shoes at that time, i would of declared war too. we cant let people walk all over this country. this is the best country in the world, and bush is not going to let anyone take that away from us. i believe alot of the things that he believes in, and i trust bush to make the best decision s. what about you?

[Sup2u]

That's funny. He's defending our country yet we still didn't find Bin Laden? Why did he pull out so quickly out of Afghanastan with without accomplishing his goal? Also why did he declare war on Iraq. Iraq never threatened us. He just went in there with no proof of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Invading Iraq was not defending our country. There are a lot of countries with WMD's and there are a lot of countries with harsh dicatorships and we aren't invading them. We went into Iraq for oil. We're wasting precious American lives for oil.

[wenchnwitches]

It's like the bully in the playground...he can't pick on those who are stronger than him and are taunting him so he goes after those who he KNOWS are weaker and he can beat - COWARDLY

If Bush's invasion was about defending his country, he would have invaded SAUDIA ARABIA who fund the terrorists - the great majority of September 11th attackers were SAUDIA ARABIAN - wake up!!! If Bush was defending his country, he would have sent ALL of the troops into the Pakistan/Afghanistan border NOT a paltry 13,000 troops - Do you know how vast that border is? He didn't want to capture Bin Laden because the Bush family is very friendly with the Saudis....and Bush gave himself away when he was asked if he cares if he captures Bin laden - he said he didn't. The history of Iraq - while Hussein was a murderer have NEVER seen such violence on their streets after the Bush invasion....they have NEVER been afraid to go out ......

BOLLOCKs.....if he wanted to make amends with the international , he would NEVER have appointed a world ambassador that doesn't even believe in the UN, who has criticised Koffi Annan....Wake up and smell the coffee beans....

[Sup2u]

I agree fully. Saddamm Hussein was a cruel cruel evil man. But he wasn't our problem. And frankly the government was stable. Do you call the Iraqi government stable now? In 5 minutes i'm gonna be taken to Guantanemo Bay by the conservatives so see ya. ;-)

[yk322]

Sup2u-- he is protecting our country, we were never attacked after 9/11!Just because he didnt find bin laden dosnt mean he is't protecting us.

[wenchnwitches]

How? Instead of sending a MEASLY 30,000 troops to the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan - which by the way is a HUGE border full of caves and places to hide, Bush Junior should have sent ALL the troops there first, with Pakistan's permission of course and caught Bin Laden...instead it's backwards and Bin Laden is still at large...Why didn't Bush do that? Could it be because B.L is Saudi Arabian and everyone knows the close ties the Bush family has to the Saudi Royal family..Come on, let's face it, Bush didn't give a toss about Bin Laden, He never INTENDED to catch him...

[Theo Dreiser]

I don't know Bush as a person, so I can't make any judgement about him. However, I can tell you that I don't like the policies of his administration. The Administration went to war with Iraq without proving links with al-qaeda. The Administration has alienated the United States from the rest of the world with its isolationist unilateral policies. Many of his advisors are throw-backs from his daddy's days in politics. The neoconservatives and their fascist s as set out in the PNAC is... um... going to further alienate America from its allies. But worst of all... the separation of church and state has become very cloudy with him in office.

[Ivor Stutter]

A bit of a serious post here guys! lol

My 2 pence worth.. the war is, was and will be a good thing if you are iraqi. Iraq has been liberated from a dictator. but at a very high cost, too many people have died. I think that if anyone commits to a war they should commit to it 100% and commit all their possible power to win it as fast and as quickly as possible.
My only worry is whats next? As a person who thinks there is no excuse for even one person to die i cant help but worry about what country is next. Im gonna bet this isnt the end..

[AMG]

How can America liberate other countries when we live and preach capitolism. Look further into Iraq, look about 500 to 700 feet down in the sand..........do you catch my drift. If not let me explain it by using one word-OIL. Look at all the contracts given out for the refinerys. All go to one company that Bush, Cheney and the inner circle have a hand in. Look at the millions of dollars lost by that company. I support our troops 100% but when I see our troops talking about they dont have the proper weapons and equipment then a light goes off in my head. How can our government give oil contracters over 500 million in contract money when our boys need equipment......................

Be real, how many of you support Bush make over $176,890 per year, if not then you are not benefiting from the tax cuts or any other tax breaks he has passed. Telling people you support Bush and barley making $40k per year looks very samrt.

[david12]

I dont get why we attacked another country when it was foreing criminals not even soldiers or anyone sent by another countries government that attacked us. Did we send soldiers just because cops cant extend an investigation to another country?

[Roley]

Bush will go down in history as one of the worst presidents our country has ever had. Take a look at his approval ratings -- only 25% or so think he's doing an adequate. Our country -- and the world -- will be SO much better when he moves back to Texas and spends his time cutting brush. I can't believe how many right-winged stutterers there are contributing to this sight.

[mos]

not a US citizen myself but from my point of view the man is a lier.
hope and pray that Iran is not the next US target.

:mad:

[Roley]

mos ...

You're right on track!

How do others of you who live outside the US feel about Bush -- and the US in general?

[nate]

Buck Fush!!!
Nate

[divisi]

IMHO, the last US presidents have shown very poor skills (no matter if they're republicans or democrats) if compared with presidents from the past, but it's understandable because Occident is a big mess right now. The mess could already be clearly perceived circa the mid 90s, and it has been progressing until the current situation. I say it's understandable that the later presidents have shown poor skills because the US is the head of Occident, so the head of the mess, and it's natural that the mess is ruled by poor skilled people. Btw, I should also add that maybe the head of the mess isn't the US president, but Hollywood and the media... they have an important part of blame in this situation, because they have manipulated the minds of the Occident citizens, trashing the best ideals that built the free world.

[Requiem]

I do not like Bush. He's sending young men out there who have families and children who have yet to say the words 'da-da' and before they know it they have lost their lives. If Bush is so eager to defend his country, why doesn't he fight the damn war? Why waste precious lives for oil? To me, it's all ing stupid and I really feel bad for the families out there in America. Bush wants to win wars when all he's won at the moment is the cries of widows and the tears of orphans screaming for their dads to come home. Yes he's won it all. Hope it's all worth it for him.

[andyr78]

I don't usually get into political discussions very often. Mostly because I don't really like to argue with people over opinions and beliefs. Anyhow I always think it's important to say that I support the president 100%.

Would like to know how Bush is a liar? Military action against Iran will be a last resort. Just as it was against Iraq. Iraq was a breeding ground for terrorists, and anyone who doesn't believe that Hussein had ties to Al-Qaeda. Is just simply naive.

The US military is VOLUNTARY. Everyone feels bad for the families (yes even the president) of the troops who have lost their lives in war.

[emily445455]

Well the country's still here...lol...so I guess he didn't do that bad of a job. :)

[Roley]

"Would like to know how Bush is a liar?"

Oh, my poor child, where have you been?!

"Is just simply naive."

No, no my poor child; you're the naive one here.

Why don't you join the volunteer army to fight for Bush's cause?

[andyr78]

Oh, my poor child, where have you been?!

I don't get all my information from the TV talking heads.

No, no my poor child; you're the naive one here.

That is simply your opinion. Just like that was only my opinion.

Why don't you join the volunteer army to fight for Bush's cause?

When I was 18 I tried to join the Marines. The Marine recruiter "suggested" I join the Army. I had no interest in the Army. My stuttering was worse back then, and he said I would be a danger to other troops. If I didn't have children today I would gladly sign up.

[mos]

where are the WMD's?

many innocent being killed to this days(american and iraqis not forgetting the british soldiers too.) and i blame bliar and bush.

:mad:

[andyr78]

where are the WMD's?

Honestly who knows where they are? As many times as the UN stalled taking action against Iraq, Hussein had plenty of times to move any weapons he did have. I can't believe people still think that Hussein didn't have WMD's.

[mos]

Honestly who knows where they are? As many times as the UN stalled taking action against Iraq, Hussein had plenty of times to move any weapons he did have. I can't believe people still think that Hussein didn't have WMD's.

now that saddam hussain has been diposed and the american army has set-up base they have plenty of time and resourses to look for the so called WMD's all i see is that the mostly american oil business magnates are now in to get there hands on the loot.

also the muppet regime in power is distgusting.

[andyr78]

So how has Iraq oil benefited the US?

There were other reasons for invading Iraq other than WMD's. That was the only reason the media chose to advertise. There is a MUCH bigger picture. By the sounds of things here though, most of you here would never believe that.

[mos]

By the sounds of things here though, most of you here would never believe that.[/QUOTE]

you have your own opinion and so do i.

we'll leave it there.

;)

mos

[andyr78]

we'll leave it there.

I couldn't agree more. That is why I don't like getting into these discussions.

[hafidmetal]

GUYS ,, bush has brough misery and hatred to this world..bush and along with his jewish alliance want to dominate the world..dominate oil...this is has nothing to do with democracy or freedom..we arent idiots guys!..who gives the right to BUSH or other us presidents to invade other countries ......why cant they just leave the world aloooone..and mind thier own business and focus on thier country's issues ...thats terrible really whts going on in IRAQ and palestine and bush still support isreal for killing innecent palestians everyday..so bad

[nate]

GUYS ,, bush has brough misery and hatred to this world..bush and along with his jewish alliance want to dominate the world..dominate oil...this is has nothing to do with democracy or freedom..we arent idiots guys!..who gives the right to BUSH or other us presidents to invade other countries ......why cant they just leave the world aloooone..and mind thier own business and focus on thier country's issues ...thats terrible really whts going on in IRAQ and palestine and bush still support isreal for killing innecent palestians everyday..so bad

This is just my opinion:

If America and Bush left the world alone Africans would still be dying of HIV/Aids in under 3 yrs, at least now they live for upto 15. Thats long enough to raise a child.
If America and Bush left the world alone, most second and third world countries wouldn't have enough money to talk about a budget let alone a have one. They'd be a zillion armed militias all over the show running it.
If America and Bush left the world alone, Despots and Dictators would have no-one to fear and the rest of the world would just plunge into anarchy.
America and Bush are like the police. Everyone loves to hate them but when shit hits the fan they are the same ones falling over each other to get to the phone and call 911.
As for the Israelis, if the tables were turned and it was the Palestinians who had the military might that the Israelis have, there would be no Israel, and no Israelis. I think that they are remarkably patient in light of the fact that most Palestinians and Arabs want them dead. They are humans just like us and they should have a place to call their home. If the Kurds and the Bosnians and the Chechens and the Kashmiris have a right to fight for their own state why shouldnt the Israelis. I actually like Jews, they give a shit about each other which is more than I can say for the vast majority of Muslims.
When Idi Amin expelled the Indians, Great Britain gave them shelter, why dont the Arabs in rich countries offer the Palestinians asylum and help them become a nation, or atleast help them feed, clothe, medicate and educate their offspring so that the next mujjahideen fight with the pen rather than stones? there arent that many!
If every Muslim in the world donated on average, a dollar to Darfur Muslims that place would have the highest per capita in the world. Or a dollar to palestine every year that nations woes will be solved. Thats what Jews do!
America and Bush are not the problem. The west are are not the problem. The rest of us are!

Nate

Btw my babies are being raised Muslim and their names are Hanan and Manan. I hope their mother teaches them to be real Muslims, to Surrender to Islam-Peace and to be above all else, human beings not murderers.:confused:

The world is what it is, and we are what we are;)
the Don

[hafidmetal]

This is just my opinion:

If America and Bush left the world alone Africans would still be dying of HIV/Aids in under 3 yrs, at least now they live for upto 15. Thats long enough to raise a child.
If America and Bush left the world alone, most second and third world countries wouldn't have enough money to talk about a budget let alone a have one. They'd be a zillion armed militias all over the show running it.
If America and Bush left the world alone, Despots and Dictators would have no-one to fear and the rest of the world would just plunge into anarchy.
America and Bush are like the police. Everyone loves to hate them but when shit hits the fan they are the same ones falling over each other to get to the phone and call 911.
As for the Israelis, if the tables were turned and it was the Palestinians who had the military might that the Israelis have, there would be no Israel, and no Israelis. I think that they are remarkably patient in light of the fact that most Palestinians and Arabs want them dead. They are humans just like us and they should have a place to call their home. If the Kurds and the Bosnians and the Chechens and the Kashmiris have a right to fight for their own state why shouldnt the Israelis. I actually like Jews, they give a shit about each other which is more than I can say for the vast majority of Muslims.
When Idi Amin expelled the Indians, Great Britain gave them shelter, why dont the Arabs in rich countries offer the Palestinians asylum and help them become a nation, or atleast help them feed, clothe, medicate and educate their offspring so that the next mujjahideen fight with the pen rather than stones? there arent that many!
If every Muslim in the world donated on average, a dollar to Darfur Muslims that place would have the highest per capita in the world. Or a dollar to palestine every year that nations woes will be solved. Thats what Jews do!
America and Bush are not the problem. The west are are not the problem. The rest of us are!

Nate

Btw my babies are being raised Muslim and their names are Hanan and Manan. I hope their mother teaches them to be real Muslims, to Surrender to Islam-Peace and to be above all else, human beings not murderers.:confused:

The world is what it is, and we are what we are;)
the Don


SO YOU support THE IDEA OF THE MANIFEST DISTINY which was the belief that the United States was destined to expand from the Atlantic seaboard to the Pacific Ocean; it has also been used to advocate for or justify other territorial acquisitions. Advocates of Manifest Destiny believed that expansion was not only good, but that it was obvious ("manifest") and certain ("destiny"). Originally a political catch phrase of the 19th century, "Manifest Destiny" eventually became a standard historical term, often used as a synonym for the expansion of the United States across the North American continent.....so u belive that USA comes to this world to civilize and teach people ...man US governments are welling to serve the world just to fullfil thier greed..power hungry..domination.. even if it is at the expense of american people....

[xinhai]

Here is why I HATE Bush. No politics, nothing personal, this is based on simple and clean numbers (I'm a part-time investor) ---

under Clinton:
DJIA (dow jones industrial average) went from 6000-12000

under Bush:
DJIA went from 12000 to 14000 (no doubt momentum from the Democratic Clinton years), then went from 14000 to 11000.

Translation? - less investments - less business done by companies, companies held by the PUBLIC - less salary and income for ALL (except those very FEW, such as criminals) - downward spiral, as all try to cut risk - recession (as if we aren't in one already) - everyone gets screwed, b/c less capital hurts everything

[nate]

SO YOU support THE IDEA OF THE MANIFEST DISTINY

No, I just know that America is run by its president. if the president supports development (not civilisation) in Africa, then America supports it and Africans are better off. If the president doesnt, then we r in deep shit.
That said I detest all forms of imperialism, and oppression, American and otherwise, but I will say this, America is powerful, not by fate, but becsaue they are a nation that has chosen to work, like many others eg China. We should learn from them so that we too can have power, and s ay in our own affairs. Also I love the ideals that America was built on, even though I dont think they follow those ideals.
Nate