Drugs, Drugs Drugs

[Stevelaz]

The internet is a wonderful thing, so much info on stammering and lots of "cures" out there.....

I took a brief look and noticed a few drugs that promise to relieve stammering and wondered if anyone here had any experience of them and what results you had.

DMAE
Piracetam
Picamilion
Phenibut

We are all waiting for the pagoclone express to come into the station, however if anyone has any good (or bad) experiences with these drugs (or others), please let us all know.

Cheers

[sst]

I've never been on prescription drugs before, besides the few times I've tried Xanax that my friends have given me. Marijuana really does help me, at least. Maybe not everyone, but it helps ease your anxiety and helps you think about things. Xanax is similar, it made me not afraid of anything. As for all the other drugs I've done...well I wouldn't recommend them to you to ease your stuttering! :o

If you're interested about how marijuana affects your stuttering, there is a documentary called "In Pot We Trust". It's very enlightening. There's clips on YouTube I think.

[CCB]

Considering the illegality without a prescription, I don't think marijuana is a good remedy.

[sst]

Considering the illegality without a prescription, I don't think marijuana is a good remedy.

Yes, I never said it was legal. And most people don't live in states where you can obtain a prescription. But it's a healing herb, and it has legitimate uses. More people smoke marijuana than you think. Most people don't let the "illegality" of the item in question affect their decisions. Why should it? Use it responsibly, reap the rewards responsibly. But that makes too much sense, doesn't it? ;)

[202]

I smoke weed.For me, it doesnt reduce my stuttering.It makes you think about things.Contrary to what the bullshit the government and schools tell you about it, weed is not bad at all.Its good for you.

[sst]

I smoke weed.For me, it doesnt reduce my stuttering.It makes you think about things.Contrary to what the bullshit the government and schools tell you about it, weed is not bad at all.Its good for you.

You know what I'm talking about! :cool:

[Stevelaz]

The weed idea is kind of off the topic a bit !!!

I was just curious is anyone here had tried the drugs I mentioned as most are non-prescription medicines and may well have some beneficial effects on stuttering......in theory anyways.

Thx

[ak47oooo]

weed is not bad at all.Its good for you.

Saying its not bad at all is a stretch... it has tar, carbon monoxide, and cyanide, all poisons, all in more amounts than cigarettes. Yes it has medicinal purposes IF YOU'RE SICK. This is not bullshit, it's the truth. I know the government has other motives about why the want to pretend marijuana is worse than it really is, and I know schools over exaggerate, I'll be the first to agree with that. But don't walk around telling people that its not bad at all, 'cause its not true!

I hope I didnt just start a flame thread here....

[nate]

I hope I didnt just start a flame thread here....

So what if u did...u stated yo point. Disagreeing with someones opinion doesnt mean you disrespected them...People need to get over that on this forum.

Beisdes u r right...weed is bad for u. and i'm glad u r'nt smoking...that means there is another reason for yo short term memory loss!!!:D

Drugs are bad. And please dont nobody say "oh its natural" yeh, so is shit...u dont go round smoking that do ye!

i hope i have started a flame thread...

[sst]

So what if u did...u stated yo point. Disagreeing with someones opinion doesnt mean you disrespected them...People need to get over that on this forum.

Beisdes u r right...weed is bad for u. and i'm glad u r'nt smoking...that means there is another reason for yo short term memory loss!!!:D

Drugs are bad. And please dont nobody say "oh its natural" yeh, so is shit...u dont go round smoking that do ye!

i hope i have started a flame thread...

Cigarettes have additives that kill...marijuana is a plant. Of course it has toxins and carcinogens like everything else, but if you smoke it properly you get none of the bad stuff, just the good stuff.

I'm not going to say you're hostile, Nate, but you do come off as such. There are other ways to discuss things without coming off as arrogant. ;) A flame war? It's called a discussion. Only people who can't back up their opinions with facts resort to that. I'm not sure what that says about you. :p

Ak47, it is true that marijuana contains 20 times more ammonia, and five times more hydrogen cyanide and nitrogen oxides. This is if you smoke it. There are healthier ways of doing this, such as using a vaporizer.

There is no correlation between heavy marijuana use and lung cancer, at all. In fact, THC may cause cells to die before they become cancerous. It helps cancer patients.

I'm not saying smoking marijuana is good for you, I smoke it, I don't really care if it's worse than cigarettes. I don't smoke cigarettes and I don't smoke marijuana every day. Cigarettes are addicting, people smoke them multiple times a day, which exacerbates the poisons in cigarettes.

Having different perspectives on issues really does help. Keeping a one-sided view upon things really doesn't help. Maybe if more people who stutter got high once in awhile they would realize life isn't as bad as it could possibly be. If not to reduce stuttering, at least to offer a different perspective on life. It has changed mine.

[nate]

Cigarettes have additives that kill...marijuana is a plant. Of course it has toxins and carcinogens like everything else, but if you smoke it properly you get none of the bad stuff, just the good stuff.

I'm not going to say you're hostile, Nate, but you do come off as such. There are other ways to discuss things without coming off as arrogant. ;) A flame war? It's called a discussion. Only people who can't back up their opinions with facts resort to that. I'm not sure what that says about you. :p

Ak47, it is true that marijuana contains 20 times more ammonia, and five times more hydrogen cyanide and nitrogen oxides. This is if you smoke it. There are healthier ways of doing this, such as using a vaporizer.

There is no correlation between heavy marijuana use and lung cancer, at all. In fact, THC may cause cells to die before they become cancerous. It helps cancer patients.

I'm not saying smoking marijuana is good for you, I smoke it, I don't really care if it's worse than cigarettes. I don't smoke cigarettes and I don't smoke marijuana every day. Cigarettes are addicting, people smoke them multiple times a day, which exacerbates the poisons in cigarettes.

Having different perspectives on issues really does help. Keeping a one-sided view upon things really doesn't help. Maybe if more people who stutter got high once in awhile they would realize life isn't as bad as it could possibly be. If not to reduce stuttering, at least to offer a different perspective on life. It has changed mine.

I said flame thread (not war)...when a thread gets many replies it appears as a red hot envelope...I want to see what everyone says...and also i like to play the devils advocate...maybe coz i'm a little bored.
I dont mean to sound arrogant, even though i am kinda, yet another fault... meh:D

I get high everyday, not off weed though. I am scared of it. I'm also scared of jail. I get high on alchohol...

Alot of people dont know what weed does to people...cigarettes are bad, so is alchohol, and so is weed! There are kids who come here and to hear any sort of drug use or abuse being advocated is not the best thing. really.

Reality is.
I still hope that this does become a flame thread. and u r right...it is a discussion.

everyone says weed is good for u, so tell me apart from releasing one from reality...how does it help? what medicinal value does it have? (Apart from killing pain)

[emily445455]

I don't think I'll ever take a drug for my stuttering. I don't like the idea of chemicals going into my body every day for extended periods of time. I am doing just that now and I hate it, I've been on the same medication for 6 years and I cannot wait to get off!!

I will also never smoke pot, lol.

[Stevelaz]

I have no idea how this thread developed into a pot/weed forum, it WAS meant to be a discussion about drugs that may have some impact on stuttering......see the list I gave.

If there was a safe, viable drug with limited side effects, there is no problem in taking it......we take drugs every day for most ailments.

I hope we can steer the chat away from weed and on to the drugs that are legal and valid

[nate]

Dear dear dear.

So many people smoking me and I don't even know about it!



:D :D :D FOCAROFL!

[sst]

I have no idea how this thread developed into a pot/weed forum, it WAS meant to be a discussion about drugs that may have some impact on stuttering......see the list I gave.

If there was a safe, viable drug with limited side effects, there is no problem in taking it......we take drugs every day for most ailments.

I hope we can steer the chat away from weed and on to the drugs that are legal and valid

I didn't mean to take over your thread hehe. :o But just because something is prescribed or legal, doesn't make it any healthier than something like marijuana. There are lots of prescription drugs that totally destroy your body, but they are legal.

[ak47oooo]

But just because something is prescribed or legal, doesn't make it any healthier than something like marijuana. There are lots of prescription drugs that totally destroy your body, but they are legal.

Well ideally the FDA looks at each drug and decides which drugs are safe under which circumstances, and the ones that are too dangerous become illegal, like ecstasy. Not sure whats going on with weed in all that. There I'm done, no more talk about marijuana from me

[sst]

Well ideally the FDA looks at each drug and decides which drugs are safe under which circumstances, and the ones that are too dangerous become illegal, like ecstasy. Not sure whats going on with weed in all that. There I'm done, no more talk about marijuana from me

Me too. I'm a nerd for marijuana, and it gets boring talking about it! :o

As for the FDA, since Bush took it over, drugs have been passed that have later been banned. Really dangerous ones that should never have had a chance to be on the market. Hopefully that will improve with a better president. :( All these food and drug recalls are a part of the problem, there needs to be a better system in place for these things.

[Stevelaz]

If there was a drug where the benefits outweighed the side effects...sure, I am sure that a good amount of people would use it.

I tried zyprexa, and it did reduce my blocks by about 70-80% and my fluency increased considerably, I also lost the anticipationary thoughts I had with my speech.....HOWEVER the side effects and risks were too much to accept.....so i stopped taking the drug.

Pagoclone.....this "appears" to have limited or no side effects so far......FDA phase III trials will be on a larget scale and hopefully any adverse affects willbe established......thats the whole point of the trial I suppose.

We all take drugs every day, for colds, aches, pains and more serious things like diseases/cancer etc and we would only take them if the benefits outweighed the negatives.

Its fairly much accepted that the main cause for most stammering is the excess dopamine in the speech areas of the brain, so if we can take something to reduce this, well thats fine by me as long as there are limited negative impacts.

I am also interested in the homeopathic side as well.....its (apparently) a more gentle process and if this works thats great also.....I need to see more empirical evidence of this also.

NLP - works for some

I am a believer in what works for YOU, works for YOU.....we are all different and what works for one may not work for another.

I have recently done the Mcguire programme and to be honest is the best thing I have done to date....I feel much more in control of my speech.....I am 4 months post-course and its still good....you only get out of things what you put into them.

I am always on the lookout for things to reduce tension in 'social situations' i.e. introductions etc where my tension is at its peak....if its a drug, a herb or the wing of a bat...heck if it works, it works !!

Cheers

[sst]

I am a believer in what works for YOU, works for YOU.....we are all different and what works for one may not work for another.

Yeah I believe the same. I don't recommend everyone do what I have done, because the things that I have done to help me get through the day because of my stutter, aren't always great ideas for inexperienced people to try.

[Jamus]

I have not tried any of those 4 drugs for my speech, and I am very intrigued to try them.

I haven't gone out of my way to pursue drugs to better my speech before, but I have noticed a few changes with the ones I have taken recreationally.

Pot started off helping me by slowing my speech down. But nowadays it makes me antsy when out in public and therefore making my speech worse.

Valium and certain painkillers relax me and therefore have had a positive effect on my speech. I did get a prescription for Valium but after a year I felt I could manage myself fine without being dependent on it, so I quit it. It's been up and down from there, but I still would rather not go back on it.

Alcohol is unpredictable. I have bad and good days just like I'm not drinking at all.

[yonex]

Sorry i gotta touch on this pot issue.... its ok if you use it moderation and not get addicted to it....say like having a casual drink.

I'm starting to take Magnesium complex ,calcium and a vitamin B complex. Some people has said it relaxes the muscles in the throat.

If you want more info go to the Magnesium thread.

[202]

Dear dear dear.

So many people smoking me and I don't even know about it!

Drugs - pot or anything serious - IMHO you're a fool. There are many other ways to get high on life without resorting to such stuff.

How would you feel if you had kids (which I know for at least one poster in this thread will not happen) and they came home with stuff? Approval or horror?

Please, dont post any more of that ignorant bullshit you think you know about weed.Weed is safer than alcohol(which I am also fond of) yet its illegal because a bunch of christian nutcases in the 30s wanted all drugs banned(including alcohol).And no, pot isnt a "serious" drug at all.

[sst]

Please, dont post any more of that ignorant bullshit you think you know about weed.Weed is safer than alcohol(which I am also fond of) yet its illegal because a bunch of christian nutcases in the 30s wanted all drugs banned(including alcohol).And no, pot isnt a "serious" drug at all.

Thank you! I'm not sure why people rely on propaganda so much with regards to marijuana. It's like they don't even care to learn more about it. Some people could use the occasional bowl just to not be so uptight all the time. :p

Power of Three, even if I weren't I still wouldn't want kids, but in an alternate universe where I was straight and actually wanted kids, and I found out they got high, I would explain to them to use it responsibly. If they start ing up, I'd not let them use it. Responsibility is key, not overreaction and ignorance. You make kids want things more when you say they can't have it.

Marijuana is a beautiful plant found in nature. It has been around since the dawn of man. I know, for some of you that is 6,000 years ago, but for the rest of us, many many billions of years hehe. ;) It is not addicting, only mentally so if you rely on it solely for happiness. Unlike other drugs, it does not make you dependent.

In conclusion, all this talk about weed is making me really want to get high right now! I just realized how boring things are when you are sober. :o

[Teri60]

I have never tried any of the drugs you mentioned but I am going to run them by my doctor next time I go in. I regularly take antidepressants and once in awhile take Xanax for anxiety. The antidepressants don't really do anything except make you feel better emotionally. The anxiety medication helps but I still stutter and still can't answer the phone at work the way they want me to, I can't say the name of the place where I work, it's so frustrating and it bugs me that i can't but I know if I answer and try to say it, nothing is going to come out. Other people don't understand it and tell me to say it slowly or just say it, they don't understand it won't come out.

[Infinite]

Marijuana is a beautiful plant found in nature. It has been around since the dawn of man. I know, for some of you that is 6,000 years ago, but for the rest of us, many many billions of years hehe. ;)


Homo Sapiens have only been on earth for about 200,000 years :cool:

I agree with everything else you said tho. Weed isn't really an addicting drug, I smoke it around two to three times a month and it hasn't really effected my life in a negative way.

[Teri60]

I tend to disagree with the addicting part of weed. I always felt like you that it wasn't addicting until I met my husband, he's a old time weed smoker and smokes it all day long but you wouldn't know it by being around him because his body has gotten so used to it. When I used to smoke it, I would get all giggly and then I would turn paranoid. I even had what I would call black outs where I couldn't see, I don't know if it was laced with other stuff but I don't like being blind when I smoke weed..LOL
But back to the addicting part, my husband when he doesn't have it, he's like crazy fool looking for it, he gets really ornery and starts digging the black gunk out from his pipe or standing by the door looking for someone who's suppose to bring it and that's why I think it's addicting. Just my opinion about it:)
You all have a nice day off to work for me!

[Jamus]

Not all of what we know, or think we know, about marijuana is fact. That is b/c not everyone who smokes it (not those who have never smoked it), has the same reaction/experience when they do. Everyone gets something different out of it.
I have many friends who smoke and I have been smoking since I was about 22. A couple of my friends smoke everyday. If they don't they are paranoid and can't function in society as well. I see that as being dependent on it, aka addicted.
Others, including myself, get paranoid and sleepy and are hesitant with going out in public. For some it inspires them with tremendous creativity in which they use it in a very positive way; for others they are irresponsible about it and do stupid things.

Many of my friends have kids and they still smoke, and they have given their kids the drug talk in which they give them all the positive and negative aspects of pot. And not just the negative ones that are found in TV ads and what they feed you at school. Everyone has a responsibility to others whom they are around when they partake in any drug. Each one of us, in the end though, should have the right to put anything in our bodies as we see fit as long as it does not do harm to anyone else in the process. That definitely includes taking something for making us stutter less :cool:

[sst]

Homo Sapiens have only been on earth for about 200,000 years :cool:

I agree with everything else you said tho. Weed isn't really an addicting drug, I smoke it around two to three times a month and it hasn't really effected my life in a negative way.

Oops! I guess it's a bad thing to post when you're half-asleep hehe. You are right! Well, I meant it's been around since the dawn of time. :o

It's great to talk to so many enlightened people on here, it's really quite refreshing. :) No bullshit, just truth. I like it!

[Jamus]

I wanted to add this but couldnt edit my last message in time.

Everyone has a unique personality and sees, feels and generally deals with everything they encounter in their life in a different way. And when we take drugs, we all have a different experience on them. For some it is the same when you are dealing with common emotions, ex: happiness/sadness, paranoia/openness, being talkative/shy, but we all have a unique experience and react differently when under the influence of a drug. That is why we cannot continue to make drugs a scapegoat and automatically place blame on them when somebody does something not easily accepted by society. For some, drugs can definitely make them a different person, better or worse, but it lies within the person's personality and personal view and actions that make them do the thing they do while taking drugs.

[Teri60]

I think you all our very intelligent people with good conversation skills and it's very nice to be able to chat on different topics without anyone getting defensive. I am very liberal about alot of things, if it doesn't affect me then I don't care what others do. :)

[nate]

I think you all our very intelligent people with good conversation skills and it's very nice to be able to chat on different topics without anyone getting defensive. I am very liberal about alot of things, if it doesn't affect me then I don't care what others do. :)

Remember Thomas Malthus' theory of the six degrees of separation? One inference drawn from it is that eventually everything everyone does will affect you. Or eventually anything anyone does will affect you. Its a matter of time.

If I dont change my babies diaper, have a fight with the with the girlfriend, get aggro, go drinking, drive drunk, smash someone, create an orphan, who never goes to school, and grows up without a father figure, get enlidted into a rebel army, participates and propagates a war, that requires funding from the US gov, that gets those funds by cutting back on a program in schools, one of them in the district, that you child goes too, and he/she fails out of high school, and becomes a bum, and estranged from u...u get the point. me, the other driver, his child, your child, the US treasurer, you...6 degrees.
Nate
of course i am not highlighting a solution, i couldnt even think of one, just expounding is all. :D

[sst]

The bottom line is if anybody wants to go and smoke pot, on you go. Just please don't make it sound totally harmless and as if it's an everyday occurance for the majority of the human race, because it's neither.

All I have to say is, people who are sober have caused a lot more damage to the world than people who are high. :cool:

[Silent]

You see, I don't need to take any drugs/chemicals/alcohol to get through life.
Don't you ever drink water? Don't you ever eat? ;)

Yes, you do need a lot of extra to cope with life. You need H20, proteins, carbohydrates, vitamins, minerals, oxygen, to name a few.

My point is these all are chemicals, and they all alter you in one way or another. Eat some candy and your blood sugar will rise (as well as your dopamine levels). Eat a few cloves of garlic and your blood pressure will drop. Have some milk and you'll notice mild sedation.
Anything you ingest results in changes to your body. It's just that they target different organs in different ways.

I'm not saying that dependence on regular use of a single substance to push your mood or state of mind in the desired direction is a good or healthy thing to do.

But to draw a thick line between supermarket/junk foods (jammed with artificial chemicals) and legal stimulants (alcohol, tobacco, coffee) on one side AND illegal substances (ranging from cannabis to heroin) on the other is plain wrong and based more on sociopolitical factors than scientific evidence.