Can someone explain this to me????

[happy7117]

I know I have talked about masking in past threads, and Daf as well, but this thread takes that topic a little bit further.

Hearing my own voice.

DAF works on the principle if one can hear their own voice delayed a fraction of a second.

But what if one's voice cannot be heard at all like mine, but the stutter is still present??

I don't know how to explain this so bear with me here.

If I speak along with music in a pair of headphones, I don't stutter. But the music is not the masking effect, the music to me is hearing the sound of my voice delayed if that makes any sense.

With no headphones to speak along with music playing, I have no idea when I will be speaking to be able to use a delay device.

Also when I speak, my voice which I am expecting to hear in my left ear is not there. I think hearing my own voice in my own left ear is critical to having DAF work for one.

What good is DAF if the person cannot already hear his or her voice in his left ear??

Also, anytime I speak along with someone elses voice (not mine), I don't stutter.

DAF is supposed to have that effect-where a stutterer speaks along with someone else they don't stutter.

Speaking along with a DAF device in my left ear does not help because it does not pick up the sound of my own voice and send it into my left ear.

Hearing my own voice through ear buds does not work as compared to hearing my own voice in my left ear without earbuds.

But speaking along with another one speaking next to me works wonders.

Speaking with a microphone to hear my voice in a set of ear buds does not work.

If there was a way to hear my voice in my left ear without a device or a way to amplify my voice to hear in my left ear, I would be greatfull for any advice.

I'm not talking about a delay device, but more like hearing my voice everytime I speak in my left ear in REAL-TIME as I go about my day?

But speaking along with music in a pair of headphones works wonder for me???

It's like hearing music in my left ear is like hearing my own voice delayed.

I just can't unravel what is going on???

It feels like I should be hearing my own voice in my left ear with no delay, but hearing my own voice in a hearing aid.

Everyone knows that hearing aids help others hear by amplifying sounds around them and sending them to the ear??

It feels like my speech or stuttererd speech should be amplified and at the same time be sent into a hearing aid for me to hear my own words which it's not at present.

But hearing music in headphones sort of acts as my own voice for me to concentrate on so I speak easier and fluently.

Also speaking along with someone turning on a faucet erases my stuttering. I need that "faucet effect" in my left ear.

Everytime I speak, I have the sudden urge to turn on a nearby faucet to be able to speak right. Unfortanetly a faucet is not nearby when I so desperatly need it to be able to communicate.

Also: the headphone phenonom again.

Everytime I have the headphones on, it feels like I should be hearing the sounds of the outside world in my headphones and not the music.

Speaking along with no masking sounds of a loud faucet makes my stutter shit.

Sorry, if this post does not make sense, but I can't make sense of these symptoms either.

It feels like this would be a good case for that Discovery Health Show "Mystery Diagnosis"!

[Derek181]

well i read your post once and after iam done i was like what is he talking about haha. why cant you hear your voice in your left ear? try to explain a little better in a short get to the point post

[happy7117]

well i read your post once and after iam done i was like what is he talking about haha. why cant you hear your voice in your left ear? try to explain a little better in a short get to the point post

I am afraid this might happen:)

One does not understand the nasty stuttering situation I tried to explain as it was so unusual of a situation.

And there was no easy way to explain the stuttering situation I was in.

And there was no way to shorten it up so it's not as long.

Had I and if I make that post shorter, I would be leaving out a lot of important details.

At least your honest in saying my post was too long and confusing, but unfortenately that's not the explanation\answer I was hoping and looking for:confused:

[sst]

You really focus too much on these stuttering devices. :p

I have honestly never heard of a faucet helping reduce stuttering. That's a new one.

Perhaps I should try standing on one leg and see if that helps reduce my stuttering. :D

[happy7117]

You really focus too much on these stuttering devices.

Again, traditional therapy failed me already so devices are now my new source of hope.

I don't know how anyone can expect a long lasting carry-over effect from traditional therapy.

Device usage will make one's speech better in the long run in my opinion.

But traditional therapy takes tremendous concentration and practice and dedication. I have tried traditional 4 week programs with NO device.

After 3 months from returning home from a 4 week intensive program back in August 96'. I was awesomely fluent.

But I totaly relapsed exactly 3 months home from returning from the program.

I sank into a deep depression as a result, quit school at 11th grade.

But devices usage can change how you speak literaly and it can last. And devices do not need that constant attention, dedication, and attention to get fluent.

I have honestly never heard of a faucet helping reduce stuttering. That's a new one.

Not the faucet itself, but the principal behind it.

Ever hear rushing water from a faucet?

Ever hear the loud noise that the rushing water makes??

That sound of the rushing water reduces my stuttering DRAMATICALY as it is the waterfall effect--speaking along with the waterfall effect inhibits my stutter completely.

I am constantly on the lookout that provides just that- a loud waterfall noise to mask my own voice everytime I speak.

Traditional therapy with fluency shaping skills do not give a waterfall effect.

If traditional therapy focused more on mechanical aids, or device usage to reduce stuttering maybe I would attend.:)

Perhaps I should try standing on one leg and see if that helps reduce my stuttering. :D

That would be great for wanting to look like a doofus:D

Maybe try hopping on one foot while sticking one's tounge out will reduce stuttering too:)

But joking aside though, standing on one foot is rediculously silly and useless for reducing stuttering. Nothing could be more stupid! But I like your sense of humor sir!

[sst]

But I like your sense of humor sir!

My sense of humor's all I got. :)

Perhaps the speech therapy didn't fail you, but you failed it. Therapy works if you stick with it. You relapsed because you probably didn't keep practicing. Did you expect to be cured forever when you did that intensive therapy session? Remember, there is no cure. It's only keeping the stuttering in check.

When I was in speech therapy, it worked great if I kept practicing. But like everyone, it's hard to not fall back on old habits. I haven't been to a speech therapist since my early days of high school. If I could afford it I probably would go back, at least to see if it would help me. At least to get my self-esteem back up again, if nothing else.

I don't think "long run" and devices really go hand in hand. Do you really expect to use a device until the day you die? Those things are a pain in the ass. I wouldn't want something stuck in my ear for the rest of my life unless I was hard of hearing. I feel bad for people who have to wear hearing aids. You really shouldn't put your hopes on this thing. If it doesn't work, then where are you? You should think these things through.

Really, your negative outlook on your stuttering will destroy you from the inside. Trust me on this one, I've been there. I'm still there. But of course, people don't realize it when they are told. :rolleyes: Your stuttering isn't worse than anyone else's, or better than anyone else's. Everyone's stuttering is different, it's a pretty personal thing and hard to compare to other people.

This debate about devices is starting to go in circles.

[happy7117]

My sense of humor's all I got. :)

[QUOTE=sst;25334]Perhaps the speech therapy didn't fail you, but you failed it. Therapy works if you stick with it. You relapsed because you probably didn't keep practicing. Did you expect to be cured forever when you did that intensive therapy session? Remember, there is no cure. It's only keeping the stuttering in check. .

Therapy is not for everyone no matter how much they practice. In a world that's so articulate and swift moving, stutterers often want to feel part of that articulate world.

Nope, I never expected to be cured, but heavily relieved of much stuttering which is what happened.

Going about our days, it is very easy to forget to stop and use our techniques because it's not natural to be so thoughtfull of our speech.

I don't think "long run" and devices really go hand in hand. Do you really expect to use a device until the day you die? Those things are a pain in the ass. I wouldn't want something stuck in my ear for the rest of my life unless I was hard of hearing. I feel bad for people who have to wear hearing aids. You really shouldn't put your hopes on this thing. If it doesn't work, then where are you? You should think these things through..

Some devices have carry-over effect where the fluency gained from the device can be kept where it is after taking out the device. That's if it is the right device. Some devices don't have a carry-over effect when removed. In other words, when a device is removed, it's back to stuttering.

Yep, if it's neccesary, I would not mind using a device till the day I die. If it saves a person from anger, humilation, embarrassment, and frusteration, more power to the person. People should use oppurtunities as much as they can to help them for as long as they can.

Also, I would much rather be adequetly be fluent from a device than totaly incomprehensable from not having a device.

They are not a pain in the ass for people who benefit from them, and who so need them to speak.

I would not mind wearing a device to help me speak. If it helps me, I realy don't care what other people think of something in my ear.

People would much rather hear a person speak adequatly fluent with a device in their ear, than no device and stutter uncontrollably.

I would never feel bad for others wearing hearing aids. I would never feel bad because if something makes their life easier we should feel proud of them.

If a device does not work, I look elsewhere.

Really, your negative outlook on your stuttering will destroy you from the inside. Your stuttering isn't worse than anyone else's, or better than anyone else's. Everyone's stuttering is different, it's a pretty personal thing and hard to compare to other people..

Wrong tense:) It has destroyed me from the inside. I've gone to long without a device that I am unable to afford and that's why stuttering has eaten at my insides.

One does not know how bad my stuttering is untill they have heard me.

This debate about devices is starting to go in circles.

Then why don't we stop the debate from going in circles, and start the debate going again in a different
shape.:D

[takinyede]

I cashed out $7000 of my 401k ($4500 after tax) to buy the DAF speecheasy device. Its being sitting in my draw unused for like five years. Its a piece of crap. It might help those whose stuttering is mostly "repetition" but its no use if you have mostly blocks. Besides you sound funny when you have it on and you are more nervous than a in a church. Mine is for sale if you feel you need it ($1500). Mine advice is to slow down and put some authority into speech but don't force words.

[sst]

I cashed out $7000 of my 401k ($4500 after tax) to buy the DAF speecheasy device. Its being sitting in my draw unused for like five years. Its a piece of crap. It might help those whose stuttering is mostly "repetition" but its no use if you have mostly blocks. Besides you sound funny when you have it on and you are more nervous than a in a church. Mine is for sale if you feel you need it ($1500). Mine advice is to slow down and put some authority into speech but don't force words.

I really hope your story helps Happy rethink his position on this. I'm doubtful, though. ;)

Happy, have you even tried out these devices? Usually if you go to someone who sells them I'm sure they would let you try it out. If you haven't, why are you so sure this will cure you of your ills? It sounds like you have nothing to base your opinions on about these devices on.