A phone call to cancel a subscription gone to hell...

[happy7117]

OK...I'm PO'd as I should have a right to be. And for those that are going to say buck up, and don't give up, well read this first.

I got a bill in the mail today saying I have to pay $30 for some kind of subscription for stamps I SUPPOSEDLY subscribed for. I say SUPPOSEDLY because I have no idea why I ordered it when I did. I have no idea WHEN I ordered.

I think I ordered this so called subscription to try to win a free Playstation 3 for filling out one of those stupid serveys. It said I had to subscribe to an offer, so I chose an ofer about stamps.

Anyway, this bill comes saying I owe $30 for a stamps subscription. I'm fine with that.

Here's the thing. I do not want this subscription because I have no use for it. So I intend to cancel, see?

I summed up courage to call to cancel 15 minutes. Figured it was best not to procrastinate, or ask my parents to do it. I cannot have them make calls for me when I am old and mature enough to do it myself.

It was a 1-800 number.

The person on the other end was not a , but the call sure was.

Mind you, NO DEVICE TO HELP ME OUT OF THIS CRAP CALL, NO MONEY TO AFFORD ONE OR THERAPY THAT WOULD COST LESS THAN A DEVICE.

I stutterer like a frusterated, helpless, upset and angry jerk. The kind rep. says "I'm sorry, I cannot hear you. Could you please move to another phone".

In other words, HE COULD NOT UNDERSTAND ME. FOR PETE SAKE. i WONDER FLIPPIN WHY? THAT IS VERY SARCASTIC. What he realy meant to say was, "I can't understand you sir. Instead he said "I cannot hear you. Please move to another phone""

So in other words, the severe can't spit it out stuff blew up in my face AGAIN, when I tried to buck up and cancel a subscription what anyone would not think twice about.

Anyway, I was so mad. Said a quick sorry.

I'm still pissed. This is one call I won't forget.

So what I'm doing, I am not going to call back with another stuttery escapade. It pissed me off enough already with this one phone call.

Not to mention it has pissed me off each and every day for the last 7 yrs.

What I will do, is send in that bill with $30 along with a very explicit letter telling them I no longer want any bills from your business because my attemp to cancel was unsuccsessful.

Maybe I should say the angry and blunt truth which is "I stutter nastily, and can't get my words out"

I don't know which is more embarrasing to say in my letter to send in with my bills.

The phone call to cancel sucked major, I am not going through that again.

If I get any more bills from this stamp place even after sending a letter to cancel, they are going in the trash.

I can't help it if I can't verbaly communicate on the telephone.

Well, yes if I had a device, I would have dome that call because I would be able to spit it off.

That call can piss off....:mad: :mad:

[happy7117]

OK...I'm PO'd as I should have a right to be. And for those that are going to say buck up, and don't give up, well read this first.

I got a bill in the mail today saying I have to pay $30 for some kind of subscription for stamps I SUPPOSEDLY subscribed for. I say SUPPOSEDLY because I have no idea why I ordered it when I did. I have no idea WHEN I ordered.

I think I ordered this so called subscription to try to win a free Playstation 3 for filling out one of those stupid surveys. It said I had to subscribe to an offer, so I chose an offer about stamps.

Anyway, this bill comes saying I owe $30 for a stamps subscription. I'm fine with that.

Here's the thing. I do not want this subscription because I have no use for it. So I intend to cancel, see?

I summed up courage to call to cancel the subscription. Figured it was best not to procrastinate, or ask my parents to do it. I cannot have them make calls for me when I am old and mature enough to do it myself.

It was a 1-800 number.

The person on the other end was not a , but the call sure was.

Mind you, NO DEVICE TO HELP ME OUT OF THIS CRAP CALL, NO MONEY TO AFFORD ONE OR THERAPY THAT WOULD COST LESS THAN A DEVICE.

I stuttered like a frusterated, helpless, upset and angry jerk. The kind rep. says "I'm sorry, I cannot hear you. Could you please move to another phone".

In other words, HE COULD NOT UNDERSTAND ME. FOR PETE SAKE. I WONDER FLIPPIN WHY? THAT IS VERY SARCASTIC. What he realy meant to say was, "I can't understand you sir. Instead he said "I cannot hear you. Please move to another phone""

So in other words, the effort to make a successfull call was blown up in my face by the severe stuttering AGAIN, when I tried to buck up and cancel a subscription what anyone would not think twice about.

Anyway, I was so mad. Said a quick sorry.

I'm still pissed. This is one call I won't forget.

So what I'm doing, I am not going to call back with another stuttery escapade. It pissed me off enough already with this one phone call.

Not to mention it has pissed me off each and every day for the last 7 yrs.

What I will do, is send in that bill with $30 along with a very explicit letter telling them I no longer want any bills from your business because my attempt to cancel was unsuccsessful.

Maybe I should say the angry and blunt truth which is "I stutter nastily, and can't get my words out. No surprise you couldn't not hear me correctly"

I don't know which is more embarrasing to say in my letter to send in with my bills.

The phone call to cancel sucked major and I am not going through that again.

If I get any more bills from this stamp place even after sending a letter to cancel, they are going in the trash.

I can't help it if I can't verbaly communicate on the telephone because of the stutter bull..

Well, yes if I had a device, I would have done that call because I would be able to spit it out.

That call can piss off....:mad: :mad:

NO EDIT! Corrections are above.

[troutbum]

i had to call comcast yesterday because my internet service was down. i knew i was going to stutter, and i did. but i got the call done and my service was back up in no time.

[Vermillion]

how bad is your stuttering that you cant say "can i cancel my subscription?"

[BenLZ]

Why do you tell us this? Is this forum a way for you just a way to vent your frustrations? What do you want?

[Stevelaz]

Happy.....last time I will ask this, but did you contact the McGuire programe and ask them about a scholarship / payment plan for the course?.......the International website implies that you can ask if you are having "financial problems"...........

You could call (they are understanding as they are recovering stutterers themselves!) or even e-mail.

I wont even mention negative posting because others are doing it for me....

On the severity of your speech......do you have situations where you are fluent (or more fluent)?.........do you have particular words that you are bad on, or is it just EVERY word?.............Its a self fullfilling thing...if you think and convince yourself you will fail....odds are you will........

No lectures today, just wondered if you were bothered enough about your speech to contact McGuire or not..........you cant use MONEY as an excuse not to.

[nerrad]

He's oviously here for support. For stutterers you guys are jerks. And yes stuttering can be so bad you can't say say, "can I cancel a subscription?" (That response was ignorent btw). And it's not like that's all you have to say... I completely understand your fustration. I block and I think it's getting worse every year. It's upsetting when to world moves completely different than what you do. I had to call apple one time because my iPod wouldn't update, and I couldn't give them my iPod serial #. Ultimatly I had to hand the phone over to my dad. Stuttering is hendering EVERYTHING in my life. Especially my social life. Everyone else has their little clique or group and I just don't belong anywhere. I feel like a major loner. Life is tough for a stutterer. Not to mention depressing. But luckily for things like canceling prescriptions, we have alternatives to the telephone. You can do it by Internet or email. Too bad our daily life isn't like that.

[happy7117]

how bad is your stuttering that you cant say "can i cancel my subscription?"

Unfortenately, it is so bad, I can't even say "can I cancel my subscription".

Heavy duty hell .

[happy7117]

Why do you tell us this? Is this forum a way for you just a way to vent your frustrations? What do you want?

You respond as though you are pissed. Not as much as me! This forum is a way to vent frusteration.

[happy7117]

On the severity of your speech......do you have situations where you are fluent (or more fluent)?.........do you have particular words that you are bad on, or is it just EVERY word?.............Its a self fullfilling thing...if you think and convince yourself you will fail....odds are you will

I never have sitations where I am just fluent. That's the truth.Yep, it just about every word that I get stuck on.

[Stevelaz]

Happy - You did not say if you contacted McGuire or not.......I take that as a No then?...........nothing to lose, everything to gain..........

So you are NEVER fluent..........not one word even when speaking to yourself?.......thats most unusual.

Maybe you should contact the device makers - send them a video of yourself and challenge then to help you..........they would get some good PR out of it if it could reduce your stuttering.......just a thought.

Nerrad, we dont need you calling people jerks etc and explaining how bad a stutter is.......... WE KNOW............from what I can gather you are a student, so fairly young (am I right?)........show a little bit of respect to people that have lived with this thing longer...........ONE word of advice, dont always look for the avoidance opportunities, treat each day as an opportunity to speak and to get better, rather than wishing we could shrink away and hide.........its tough, but it will help.

[Jamus]

It's one thing to vent. But another thing to whine. And that's what we have here on this forum with a lot of people. But I can't blame a lot of them. I used to whine myself when I was younger. I learned whining was only a way to get others' attention b/c they felt unwanted. I then grew up.

I started focusing on living my life. Then people started paying attention to me b/c I wasn't a whiner anymore. I was a human being who talked :)

[sst]

Happy, I still say you should get a blog to vent your frustrations. It probably would help a lot.

[Bill Hargis]

Happy would it help if you write what you want to say on the phone and then read it. I used to have severe blocks and it helped me. I know just how frustrated you are.

[couture57]

Happy, I completely understand your anger and frustration about that phone call. I go through the same thing myself every time I pick up the phone, and when the call is over, I am filled with nothing but self-loathing. I put off making phone calls, sometimes for MONTHS just because I hate to do it so much. As a result, I am still paying for things I should have cancelled a long time ago, I don't get in to see my doctors or dentist when I should, etc.

E-mail and snail mail is probably the best option right now, since I understand you can't afford to pay this $30. But I think it would do no good to mention that you stutter in your initial letter. It's probably a company that farms out their phone support, and they have no idea that the call took place and the experience you had with it.

However (and I have done this before) if they reply to your letter and tell you that you MUST call them to cancel it, write back and explain that you have a speech impediment and are unable to use the telephone, therefore they must allow you to do it by mail.

I guess that approach is "using the disability card" and I have mixed feelings about that, but it gets the job done.

[DKoz]

OK...I'm PO'd as I should have a right to be. And for those that are going to say buck up, and don't give up, well read this first.

I got a bill in the mail today saying I have to pay $30 for some kind of subscription for stamps I SUPPOSEDLY subscribed for. I say SUPPOSEDLY because I have no idea why I ordered it when I did. I have no idea WHEN I ordered.

I think I ordered this so called subscription to try to win a free Playstation 3 for filling out one of those stupid serveys. It said I had to subscribe to an offer, so I chose an ofer about stamps.

Anyway, this bill comes saying I owe $30 for a stamps subscription. I'm fine with that.

Here's the thing. I do not want this subscription because I have no use for it. So I intend to cancel, see?

I summed up courage to call to cancel 15 minutes. Figured it was best not to procrastinate, or ask my parents to do it. I cannot have them make calls for me when I am old and mature enough to do it myself.

It was a 1-800 number.

The person on the other end was not a , but the call sure was.

Mind you, NO DEVICE TO HELP ME OUT OF THIS CRAP CALL, NO MONEY TO AFFORD ONE OR THERAPY THAT WOULD COST LESS THAN A DEVICE.

I stutterer like a frusterated, helpless, upset and angry jerk. The kind rep. says "I'm sorry, I cannot hear you. Could you please move to another phone".

In other words, HE COULD NOT UNDERSTAND ME. FOR PETE SAKE. i WONDER FLIPPIN WHY? THAT IS VERY SARCASTIC. What he realy meant to say was, "I can't understand you sir. Instead he said "I cannot hear you. Please move to another phone""

So in other words, the severe can't spit it out stuff blew up in my face AGAIN, when I tried to buck up and cancel a subscription what anyone would not think twice about.

Anyway, I was so mad. Said a quick sorry.

I'm still pissed. This is one call I won't forget.

So what I'm doing, I am not going to call back with another stuttery escapade. It pissed me off enough already with this one phone call.

Not to mention it has pissed me off each and every day for the last 7 yrs.

What I will do, is send in that bill with $30 along with a very explicit letter telling them I no longer want any bills from your business because my attemp to cancel was unsuccsessful.

Maybe I should say the angry and blunt truth which is "I stutter nastily, and can't get my words out"

I don't know which is more embarrasing to say in my letter to send in with my bills.

The phone call to cancel sucked major, I am not going through that again.

If I get any more bills from this stamp place even after sending a letter to cancel, they are going in the trash.

I can't help it if I can't verbaly communicate on the telephone.

Well, yes if I had a device, I would have dome that call because I would be able to spit it off.

That call can piss off....:mad: :mad:

I can relate! I had to renew my credit card and I had to tell VISA my card number and I got stuck on the last 4 digits. In fact he had to read them to me, most likely out of pitty!

[Count]

send them a video of yourself and challenge then to help you..........they would get some good PR out of it if it could reduce your stuttering.......just a thought.


I alreada asked him to post a video of himself on his Youtube channel 'cause I can't imagine that someone can have such a bad stutter.
Even I'm afraid of phone calls, but after the first 5 to 10 stutters I can achieve a level of fluency and get through the call.

[couture57]

Count, I can understand having such a bad stutter - I'm guessing I'm at about 25-30% fluency right now, which means I block on 7 out of 10 words.

Happy, I agree with Count and Stevelaz - can you do a youtube video?

[happy7117]

I would love to do a youtube vid for some feedback.

But with a video, comes comments from others.

What does a person need to upload??

BTW, I am not going to fret with that stupid phone call.

I'm just going to send in the payment with a short letter saying I am unable to cancel by phone because of a speech problem. Nasty but true.

And if they still send me bills, I will just thow them out.

If they don't honor my request, then I shouldn't be honored to pay another bill they send.

Case closed.....

[happy7117]

Happy would it help if you write what you want to say on the phone and then read it. I used to have severe blocks and it helped me. I know just how frustrated you are.

Tried that more than once. Was unsuccsessful.

[happy7117]

It's one thing to vent. But another thing to whine. And that's what we have here on this forum with a lot of people. But I can't blame a lot of them. I used to whine myself when I was younger. I learned whining was only a way to get others' attention b/c they felt unwanted. I then grew up.

I started focusing on living my life. Then people started paying attention to me b/c I wasn't a whiner anymore. I was a human being who talked :)

Venting anger or whining???

What's the difference??

Isn't whining about our situation the same as venting?

[happy7117]

BTW, if anyone does not like what they read from me, they don't have to read. I mean that nicely. Just hit Ignore user.

I have done that in the past with members who I did not feel like B.S'ing with. Feel free to do the same with me.

[Count]

I would love to do a youtube vid for some feedback.

But with a video, comes comments from others.

What does a person need to upload??



If you make a video as I hope you have to click on "approve all comments first". Then you can see what others wanted to comment and if the response is bad and you feel offended you just have to deny it. But those vids are often seen by other stutterers, so will get more helpe than written bashing.

[Vermillion]

I would love to do a youtube vid for some feedback.

But with a video, comes comments from others.

What does a person need to upload??


webcam(if you are using a laptop, they usually have one installed)
digital cameras that record video

[BenLZ]

You respond as though you are pissed. Not as much as me! This forum is a way to vent frusteration.

Not angry, just puzzled, and if you want us to pity you, you're doing a fine job.

[Derek181]

i understand what your going through happy, the only thing i dont understand is why you dont do anything to change it. like if you say you cant afford any treatment, go find a better job, apply places go into the interviews and stutter your heart out and smile while stuttering. give it your best attempt. i ve met a lota people who stuttered severely, one was a medical student!!! the other had a good job owned his own house and has been to therapy. if they can do it why cant you. like i remembering you saying that you only work 2 to 3 days a week!!!! well come on your 30 get a full time job haha!!

[sst]

i understand what your going through happy, the only thing i dont understand is why you dont do anything to change it. like if you say you cant afford any treatment, go find a better job, apply places go into the interviews and stutter your heart out and smile while stuttering. give it your best attempt. i ve met a lota people who stuttered severely, one was a medical student!!! the other had a good job owned his own house and has been to therapy. if they can do it why cant you. like i remembering you saying that you only work 2 to 3 days a week!!!! well come on your 30 get a full time job haha!!

He won't listen to reason. :D

[happy7117]

Not angry, just puzzled, and if you want us to pity you, you're doing a fine job.

If I want pity from anyone, I will kindly ask for it. I don't mean that in a mean way, but a simple reply.

[happy7117]

i understand what your going through happy, the only thing i dont understand is why you dont do anything to change it. like if you say you cant afford any treatment, go find a better job, apply places go into the interviews and stutter your heart out and smile while stuttering. give it your best attempt. i ve met a lota people who stuttered severely, one was a medical student!!! the other had a good job owned his own house and has been to therapy. if they can do it why cant you. like i remembering you saying that you only work 2 to 3 days a week!!!! well come on your 30 get a full time job haha!!

I beat you to your post! Did you miss my posts on how many treatments I went for in the past, they never worked for me.

I worked my tail off, but I regressed.

I am beginning to find humor in posts that say I need to get up off my ass and do something to better myself, when in fact I have too many times.

As for stuttering my heart out at interviews, that's a great way to not be considered for a job.

Apply for a better job? I did 2 months ago, at Walgreens. Had an interview. Never got the job.

Gee I wonder why(sarcastic):)

[happy7117]

He won't listen to reason. :D

I follow my own reason! I think we all know that by now.

[Stevelaz]

I follow my own reason! I think we all know that by now.

I'm having a deja vu moment right now..............

Here's the pattern:

Happy (name is a contradiction by the way) starts a thread that usually starts with a vent/whine/winge and then tells us that he stutters really badly (we all get it)...like we dont stutter huh??!!

Next is usually a question that is designed to get people offering support and saying "poor Adam" etc etc (suicide or s etc)

People usually offer some sound advice

Adam then mentions he needs a device and nothing else will help

People then usually call him negative and tell him to make an effort with his speech.

Adam then says "I'm stubborn" and I can do what I want and people dont understand me etc etc etc.

Is it starting to get a little dull now??


Did you contact McGuire - no reply again

Did you contact a device firm saying you stammer really really badly and you would be a great PR tool is they could "cure" you?

Did you get you ass away from the computer today and make some contact with real people? (however hard it is we must do this)

Will you be on this forum for the next 30 yrs saying the same old thing and not do something for yourself?

[happy7117]

I'm having a deja vu moment right now..............

Here's the pattern:

Happy (name is a contradiction by the way) starts a thread that usually starts with a vent/whine/winge and then tells us that he stutters really badly (we all get it)...like we dont stutter huh??!!

Next is usually a question that is designed to get people offering support and saying "poor Adam" etc etc (suicide or s etc)

People usually offer some sound advice

Adam then mentions he needs a device and nothing else will help

People then usually call him negative and tell him to make an effort with his speech.

Adam then says "I'm stubborn" and I can do what I want and people dont understand me etc etc etc.

Is it starting to get a little dull now??


Did you contact McGuire - no reply again

Did you contact a device firm saying you stammer really really badly and you would be a great PR tool is they could "cure" you?

Did you get you ass away from the computer today and make some contact with real people? (however hard it is we must do this)

Will you be on this forum for the next 30 yrs saying the same old thing and not do something for yourself?

Did I get the ass away from the computer?? Sure did! Work, out to dinner, haunted house.

Will I be on this forum in the next 30 yrs?? I can't think that far ahead to know.

Did I contact McGuire? Maybe I did. I'm not saying no. I'm not saying yes either.:rolleyes:

[happy7117]

My User Name is in direct contrast to my forum persona. It was meant to be that way.:D

[sst]

I totally agree with you Steve, I'm glad you said it. I don't want to come off as a bully, Happy, because I've been bullied before, but you seem to not want to make any changes. We all stutter here, we all have our fears and issues, but we try to make the best of it. Your life seems to be a constant stream of negativity. Do you really work only a few days a week? Even when I worked a part-time retail job, I still worked 5 days a week, most times 6. 8 hours or more, too.

You should consider yourself lucky you have disability money helping you pay rent. I don't know of anyone else who stutterers who has that. I wish I did. Maybe you should focus on the positive aspects of your life, and realize that some people have it much worse than you do. Have you almost been homeless? I have. It was scary. That's what not having a job and spending all my money on drugs for relief from the stress of stuttering almost brought me, homelessness. People don't really have much sympathy for the stutter, in the real world. I think it's a lesson for us all that we have to deal with what we are given, and grow as people, from it.

[Stevelaz]

Did I get the ass away from the computer?? Sure did! Work, out to dinner, haunted house.

Will I be on this forum in the next 30 yrs?? I can't think that far ahead to know.

Did I contact McGuire? Maybe I did. I'm not saying no. I'm not saying yes either.:rolleyes:


It's reassuring to know that you are sat by your computer logged in to reply so quickly !!!!!.........where else would you be?

So you went to work and out to dinner - I assume that you spoke during these exchanges with people or did you use "classic" stutterers avoidance techniques

You WILL be here in 30 yrs time, saying the same stuff UNLESS you change your attitude and outlook.......will we be talking about the 60year old virgin then?

Its up to you whether you contacted McGuire......no need to be so friggin cryptic about it with the "roll eyes"......if you bother to attend a course, you will be thanking me, not just thinking up smart ass replies.

I will take other peoples advice and just not waste my time trying to help you.....I have tried to give you sound advice, but what pisses me off the most is that the whole tone of the forum is so negative and pandering to people's insecurities all the time.

REALITY CHECK - STUTTERING SUCKS, BUT WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT............IT TAKES HARD WORK AND EFFORT......BUT ITS BETTER THAN BEING AN OUT OF CONTROL STUTTERER FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES.....

Thats me done......

[nate]

I wonder how i should say this so i am going to take a stab at it and hope it works out.

When we all came here, we came as whiners (most us anyway but me in particular, i'd hate to speak for anyone else). Most of us had lived with this thing long enough to learn how to type and in any book that is regarded as having a chronic condition.
We ed about the stuttering, how it affected our lives, the lives of our loved ones, how we coped, how we wished it would be. We also laughed and joked about other things, we played games and this forum was not just a place where we could be understood, and given advice. it became an escape where we could allow ourselves to be ourselves, and get some sense knocked into us.
Some of us came to the realisation that like everything else, if we wanted fluency, and/or happiness we'd have to work for it and it wasnt going to fall into our laps. But in the mean time we could accept ourselves and be happy while still working throughout fluency.
5 yrs ago i was not the person i am now. everything affected me. strangers in the street, people in shops...now very little does. but it was a journey. it still is.
Adam is still on that journey. he may be at an earlier pit stop, he may seem to be spinning his wheels. But it is our duty to provide him with what he needs. which is...support, understanding, advice, and some sense. But directing statements like

I will take other peoples advice and just not waste my time trying to help you.....I have tried to give you sound advice, but what pisses me off the most is that the whole tone of the forum is so negative and pandering to people's insecurities all the time.

or
Your life seems to be a constant stream of negativity.
or

Not angry, just puzzled, and if you want us to pity you, you're doing a fine job.

toward the man are hardly helpful. just because u r fed up of the negativity doesnt mean that its ok to bash him. If anything thast all the more reason for sympathy right. i mean there are people here that really get onto other peoples nerves and lash out because their lives are so pitiful, but Adam never does that.
Even when he is attacked he still keeps a civil tongue in his head. so his life is shitty; If u cant deal with it dont read his posts. if u do, then try to be as constructive as possible, because the world is bashing our heads in and the last thing we need is to come to this forum for a REALITY CHECK! unfortunately the real world is all to real and this is our escape.

So lets just go easy on Adam, and go easy on everyone one us. Coz we've all been there. And just because we are now here doenst mean we should forget where we came from.

Ok. i better stop. I truly hope i did not offend anyone. And if i did i dinna mean to.:D
Nate

[Stevelaz]

Nate - you seem like a nice chap and all but using "soundbites" said by others is not really a fair reflection of what is actually said to Adam.

You will notice that most of my comments (as well as most other peoples too) have been to give sound advice and to give suggestions of how he can help himself etc........however he does not want to take anyones advice - he is content to wallow around and tell everyone how shit life is.

He actually makes a point to tell us that he is stubborn and that he will do it his way (i.e. do nothing) and make all of the classic stutterers mistakes of avoidance and getting depressive thoughts etc..........for goodness sake, the whole suicide thread was ridiculous, and the prostitue thread was plain dumb.

You say, I dont have to read his comments etc.....how can I not when it is on almost every thread, poor me, I cant speak, I have no money, I need a device, the world is so unfair etc etc.

We all know how crappy it can be....if it was a fluent person telling him to stop whining etc....then I would say its not fair as they dont understand the issues, but we are all in the same boat.

I've tried to help....had it thrown back in my face......I wont bother helping again....

Its just recently, the forum has been filled with silly threads and not the positive place it should be, filled with help/research/information and advice......its turned into a whiney place.............if you want to whine, get a dog and whine to it.....good speaking practice too !!

I'll just use my time in a more valuable way.......make contacts, make calls, speak to people, practice my breathing and being positive and helping others who have the same goals.

The 5 minutes I took writing this, I will never get it back.....waste of time huh??..............probably wont influence you or Happy.

I will offer my help to anyone who is willing to help themselves.

You dont drown by falling into a puddle of water....you drown if you stay there........

[sst]

People are not bashing him as far as I know. We are trying to help him. I don't recall seeing any personal bashing of Happy anywhere in this thread. Personally, I think for some people negativity makes them feel secure. If Happy has nothing to complain about, what would his world be like?

I only say this because I used to be like that. Being content can be boring, some people like to have drama in their lives. I'm not that person anymore, I have grown out of it. But Happy seems to enjoy having things to complain about. It's not the most horrible thing to do, and he is not a bad person, but if he really wanted to take control of these situations that he tells us about, he would already have done so. Whether it's getting a girlfriend, better job, speech therapy, the dreaded stuttering device, whatever issue comes up, he has an excuse for not doing anything about it.

By the way, Happy Halloween!

[happy7117]

I don't think I have ever bashed anyone on this forum. I never will either. I hold it all in.

If I had nothing to whine or complain about, I sure wouldn't need this forum, and I would not be needing to seek advice.

I think another problem is people are judging me based on what I say in my posts. That's the only way people on a forum can judge another person.

If you knew me personaly, if you did not know me by reading the posts, you would think you would be stuttering or talking to an entirely different person.

If stuttering affected anyone else how it affected me, you would be writing the same things I do.

If you could post based on what my daily life is like outside the forum, I'm sure the posts I read about me here would be far different tha what I am currently reading now.

[happy7117]

I'm off to a Halloween Party. Let's see how much the stuttering impacts it.

Or let's see how much fun I can have without worrying about the stuttering while I'm there.

There is only 1 positive thing about stuttering at any social situation, if one does not talk, one will not stutter, and if you don't stutter if you don't talk, then everything is good:)

[happy7117]

on almost every thread, poor me, I cant speak, I have no money, I need a device, the world is so unfair etc etc

Try being a mute for one day to know what it's like to not be able to speak.

Your not a mute, so you can speak.

One may stutter nastily, but they can speak in a stutterable way.

Yes, the world is unfair.

It is unfair that each and every one of us stutters to any degree.

Is it fair that we stutter??

[Count]

Is it fair that we stutter??


It's certainly unfair that 66 million people in the world were punished with this affliction called stuttering. And I personally hate every minute of it because I can't say ten sentences in a row without stumbling over some words. But dash it, I mean Charles Darwin was a stutterer and he discovered the evolution theory. Isaac Newton stuttered and was a natural genius. Not to mention Marylin Monroe who always had problems with stuttering.

[happy7117]

It's certainly unfair that 66 million people in the world were punished with this affliction called stuttering. And I personally hate every minute of it because I can't say ten sentences in a row without stumbling over some words. .

Isnt' that a reason to feel negative as my posts are?? I hold nothing back. I don't sugarcoat how I feel either.

It's nothing to feel glad about that we cannot say the simplist things without stuttering those words out.

If we didn't complain and whine about how stuttering affects us, we would keep it bottled in. And that would internaly destroy us.

That's what my posts are about. Letting out my frusterations. Others have the choice to read them or not.

One of the greatest gifts in life is the ability to make choices.

But dash it, I mean Charles Darwin was a stutterer and he discovered the evolution theory. Isaac Newton stuttered and was a natural genius. Not to mention Marylin Monroe who always had problems with stuttering.

Those are examples of great extraordinary people. They are worldly famous. Stuttering did not impact them from being famous for what they did.

But we are not famous. It's good to hear about celebrity stutterers, but that will never make our stuttering any lesser.

Could those people who stutter still communicate...yes. Could they get their words out. Yes..they had trouble, but they still got their words out.

Just think. What if those celebrities you mentioned stuttered extremely badly and could barely communicate as a result.

Would they still be as famous?

[BenLZ]

If I want pity from anyone, I will kindly ask for it. I don't mean that in a mean way, but a simple reply.

You don't ask for it, you demand it. What good has venting done for you? You're just beyond the point of responding to rational points. You're too caught up in your own little world to help yourself, and maybe if you spent half as much time as you do on this forum practicing your speech you'd see some real improvement. I don't usually respond to your posts/grievances because I rarely see a point to, and this will probably be the last time I waste my energy on it. Take it or leave it.

[happy7117]

You don't ask for it, you demand it. What good has venting done for you? You're just beyond the point of responding to rational points. You're too caught up in your own little world to help yourself, and maybe if you spent half as much time as you do on this forum practicing your speech you'd see some real improvement. I don't usually respond to your posts/grievances because I rarely see a point to, and this will probably be the last time I waste my energy on it. Take it or leave it.

Why didn't you use CAPS locks? The anger is evident in your response:)

Sorry. I don't demand any sort of response from anyone. People respond to me as they see fit.

If some want to respond nicely, do it. If someone wants to respond angrily, do it.

If anyone thinks they could be wasting their own time replying, don't reply.

[happy7117]

You don't ask for it, you demand it. What good has venting done for you? You're just beyond the point of responding to rational points. You're too caught up in your own little world to help yourself, and maybe if you spent half as much time as you do on this forum practicing your speech you'd see some real improvement. I don't usually respond to your posts/grievances because I rarely see a point to, and this will probably be the last time I waste my energy on it. Take it or leave it.

You sure know the right way to make a forum member feel like garbage from a single post......keep it up:)

The war of the words!

Who will win at the battle of angry words..find out next post!

[happy7117]

People are not bashing him as far as I know. We are trying to help him. I don't recall seeing any personal bashing of Happy anywhere in this thread. Personally, I think for some people negativity makes them feel secure. If Happy has nothing to complain about, what would his world be like?

I only say this because I used to be like that. Being content can be boring, some people like to have drama in their lives. I'm not that person anymore, I have grown out of it. But Happy seems to enjoy having things to complain about. It's not the most horrible thing to do, and he is not a bad person, but if he really wanted to take control of these situations that he tells us about, he would already have done so. Whether it's getting a girlfriend, better job, speech therapy, the dreaded stuttering device, whatever issue comes up, he has an excuse for not doing anything about it.

By the way, Happy Halloween!

Funny you say that I am not happy unless I have something to complain about.

My Grandmother was the exact same way.

Never was happy unless she had something to gripe about.

Hereditary family trait? Maybe.

[jcalm]

Happy, I think you should go to Amsterdam's Redlight District to get laid, because it's cheap, the chicks are hot and the best of all, you don't have to say a thing since they don't speak english. All you have to do is to let them know you're an American (by revealing your passport). After that, offer them $$$, start from 50 euro, the chicks will either nod or shake their heads. Add 5 euro at a time until you win their hearts. Good luck Happy. There is no shame to get laid this way. I have whole bunch of non stuttered friends who fly over there everything year to do that.

[happy7117]

Happy, I think you should go to Amsterdam's Redlight District to get laid, because it's cheap, the chicks are hot and the best of all, you don't have to say a thing since they don't speak english. All you have to do is to let them know you're an American (by revealing your passport). After that, offer them $$$, start from 50 euro, the chicks will either nod or shake their heads. Add 5 euro at a time until you win their hearts. Good luck Happy. There is no shame to get laid this way. I have whole bunch of non stuttered friends who fly over there everything year to do that.

I thought the prostitution thread was closed.:D

I'm trying to forget that thread..that thread unintentionaly caused nothing but damage.

[minnatrix]

Nate, it isn't just that that makes me so frustrated at Happy. It's just the fact that I was in his same position about a year or two ago. Actually, some members of the forum will remember me. I came here and posted a very negative thread contemplating suicide but instead of constantly posting threads about how shitty and how worse my life is than anybody else's, I took the initiative and sought help. You can even refer back to my original thread I made about a year or two ago. But how is it possible that a 15 year old kid, in only about a year or two, can make such drastic improvements to his outlook on life and his self-esteem and yet Happy hasn't made any sort of improvement at all. That frustrates me. He hasn't made any improvement in all these years. Nate, even you can admit that. Maybe I am being too hard on him because I am a wrestler and I ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN LIFE. To get what you want, you have to do what it takes.

[stutterfly]

Nate, it isn't just that that makes me so frustrated at Happy. It's just the fact that I was in his same position about a year or two ago. Actually, some members of the forum will remember me. I came here and posted a very negative thread contemplating suicide but instead of constantly posting threads about how shitty and how worse my life is than anybody else's, I took the initiative and sought help. You can even refer back to my original thread I made about a year or two ago. But how is it possible that a 15 year old kid, in only about a year or two, can make such drastic improvements to his outlook on life and his self-esteem and yet Happy hasn't made any sort of improvement at all. That frustrates me. He hasn't made any improvement in all these years. Nate, even you can admit that. Maybe I am being too hard on him because I am a wrestler and I ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN LIFE. To get what you want, you have to do what it takes.

you've got a good attitude minnatrix, I wish i had put more effort into correcting my speech when I was your age, I spent my high school years isolated and depressed and only started putting in proper work for fluency this year (I am 22 now). In a matter of 6 months I've gone from a severe stutterer (having up to 30 second silent blocks) to what I would define as a mild stutterer or "almost normal" (sometimes as little as 1-2 disfluencies a day). Nevertheless, don't bash happy7117 untill you know the entire story, maybe he wasn't as lucky as us and the things that worked for us won't work for him...

[sst]

I was in your position too, Stutterfly. I was completely isolated, depressed, and I had no real friends. Plus I was fat. Everyday was a nightmare. I don't blame my stuttering though, lots of successful people stutter, I just didn't deal with it the right way. I have changed in a lot of ways, but I still have room to grow.

Regarding Happy, I agree with Minnatrix. I've been reading this forum for years, and Happy has always complained about everything. It's great that a 15 year old can take control of his life, and turn it around. If I were in Happy's shoes, I would think that made me look pretty bad, for a 30 year old to not act like an adult and try to overcome some of the bad things in his life.

[Derek181]

guys, happy is one of those type of guys who wishes things would change for him and he dreams of it. but when it actually comes down to it, hes too lazy. hes 30, he wont change now, my guess is he will die a virgin. and this is the excuse i know will come. when when you have such a nasty stutter like mine nothing can be done but a device. hahahaha

[sst]

guys, happy is one of those type of guys who wishes things would change for him and he dreams of it. but when it actually comes down to it, hes too lazy. hes 30, he wont change now, my guess is he will die a virgin. and this is the excuse i know will come. when when you have such a nasty stutter like mine nothing can be done but a device. hahahaha

I bet Happy wishes there was a device for all his problems. :eek:

[happy7117]

I bet Happy wishes there was a device for all his problems. :eek:

Only 1-stuttering, however you weren't too far off!

[happy7117]

guys, happy is one of those type of guys who wishes things would change for him and he dreams of it. but when it actually comes down to it, hes too lazy. hes 30, he wont change now, my guess is he will die a virgin. and this is the excuse i know will come. when when you have such a nasty stutter like mine nothing can be done but a device. hahahaha

Derek - 1

Happy- 0:)

I'm not going to rehash what has been said--but people that posts stuff like this are still not getting my situation. All have tried to to see my situation the best you could, but you still don't get it.

Nope-I'm not sorry for me this time. I'm sorry for those who are not bright enough to see past the self-pity and anger that I show on this post..

[sst]

Nope-I'm not sorry for me this time. I'm sorry for those who are not bright enough to see past the self-pity and anger that I show on this post..

That's pretty insulting to the people who are trying to help you. ;)

What can't we see past? That you won't do one single thing to help yourself? :p

[bignick]

Adam,

I am trying to see through your self pity and anger but it is near on impossible as you ignore my question to you everytime I ask it.

So I will ask you one more time and lets see if you answer it this time.

Why cant you live without cable, if you cancelled your cable you would be able to start saving for your device which you so desperately want. You constantly repeat about wanting a device so badly but are not sacrificing anything to get it. I wish you would realise that unless you start thinking that saving for a device is far more important than paying for cable you will never ever get your device.

If I wanted a device so badly I would sacrifice something which I could live without and please dont say you cant live without cable as I would class it as a luxury in my eyes.

Nick.

[sst]

What I don't understand if his cable package is $150 dollars a month, why does it make him broke? Does he only get paid once a month? Even in third world countries I think people make more than $150 dollars a month. Seriously, he needs to get the basic cable and broadband, and it would save him probably half of that $150 dollars.

[happy7117]

Are we still on the cable kick folks!! That's old news!

Without cable, I am bored stiff!!

My cable included phone and road runner.

So without paying this bill, I lose road runner, cable, and phone.

And I think that's why it is so much.

Tell me jokes someone!!

It's holiday time, let's get festive!

[happy7117]

What I don't understand if his cable package is $150 dollars a month, why does it make him broke? Does he only get paid once a month? Even in third world countries I think people make more than $150 dollars a month. Seriously, he needs to get the basic cable and broadband, and it would save him probably half of that $150 dollars.

Paid once a week. My take home is $150.

[sst]

Paid once a week. My take home is $150.

You get paid $150 a week, or $150 a month?

[peebee]

I just stopped trying with happy. I hate to be blunt but the man is as thick and dull as a mule. A lot of the ppl on this forum use it to ask advice and try to improve their speech, happy is playing a whole other game trying to win the worst stutterer of the century award and trying to collect some self pity on the way to the top. I don't doubt he has problems, probably more-so then anyone on this forum, but his story and lack of common knowledge and sense just doesn't add up.

How can you realistically make $150 A WEEK. An 8yr old makes that much with a paperroute part-time 3days a week. That's half of minimum wage. You could be blind, def, mute or retarded and still find a job that pays more then that. If you actually do make $150 and work 40hr weeks, you should call or lawyer (or get someone too) and sue your company for millions and then send me a fat cheque

[sst]

I just stopped trying with happy. I hate to be blunt but the man is as thick and dull as a mule. A lot of the ppl on this forum use it to ask advice and try to improve their speech, happy is playing a whole other game trying to win the worst stutterer of the century award and trying to collect some self pity on the way to the top. I don't doubt he has problems, probably more-so then anyone on this forum, but his story and lack of common knowledge and sense just doesn't add up.

How can you realistically make $150 A WEEK. An 8yr old makes that much with a paperroute part-time 3days a week. That's half of minimum wage. You could be blind, def, mute or retarded and still find a job that pays more then that. If you actually do make $150 and work 40hr weeks, you should call or lawyer (or get someone too) and sue your company for millions and then send me a fat cheque

I'm glad you guys are blunt with Happy, so I don't have to do it. :D

All of the advice you've given would require effort, for Happy it's easier to sit on his computer and complain. I think I have a morbid fascination with Happy, he really just doesn't get it. At all. I refuse to give up on him.

Deep down I think maybe Happy is just a creation of some twisted mind, a game that someone is playing with us. Maybe he's not even a human. :eek: Perhaps some artificial intelligence (less emphasis on the intelligence part). How can one person not listen to one word any of us have said. Whenever he responds to our posts he doesn't reply to anything we say. It's just more ramblings and jokes. Why joke around when all of your complaints are serious.

So Happy, if you make $150 dollars a week why would you broke after you pay your $150 dollar monthly cable bill? Do you have a meth addiction you're not telling us about? ;)

[happy7117]

You get paid $150 a week, or $150 a month?

$150 a week.

[happy7117]

Deep down I think maybe Happy is just a creation of some twisted mind, a game that someone is playing with us. Maybe he's not even a human. :eek: Perhaps some artificial intelligence (less emphasis on the intelligence part)

Love your sense of humor:)

[happy7117]

I just stopped trying with happy. I hate to be blunt but the man is as thick and dull as a mule. A lot of the ppl on this forum use it to ask advice and try to improve their speech, happy is playing a whole other game trying to win the worst stutterer of the century award and trying to collect some self pity on the way to the top. I don't doubt he has problems, probably more-so then anyone on this forum, but his story and lack of common knowledge and sense just doesn't add up.

Yeah, yeah. You MUST be right Peebee:)

How can you realistically make $150 A WEEK. An 8yr old makes that much with a paperroute part-time 3days a week. That's half of minimum wage. You could be blind, def, mute or retarded and still find a job that pays more then that. If you actually do make $150 and work 40hr weeks, you should call or lawyer (or get someone too) and sue your company for millions and then send me a fat cheque[/QUOTE]

I work 3 days a week.

[sst]

$150 a week.

Why does paying a $150 dollar a month cable bill make you broke, then?

[stutterpress]

First of all for the people who are giving Happy a hard time because hes letting his anger out here, we're here for eachother, we understand the pain we all go through everyday. We understand the hardships each one of us faces, cause we've faced them too. You know, not many people are interested in listening to you tell them about how you stuttered so much on the phone today and it really pissed you off.

Be a helping hand!

As for Happy, mate, I have a real hard time sometimes when I'm trying to sort things over the phone with service providers et al. First of all, the person on the other side doesn't know you, hell, how does it matter if you stutter your ass off. They're paid to help you, stay on the phone with you as long as it takes, until you get your problem sorted out. Its their duty.

If you're having a hard time and getting really frustrated. Hang up, no point in building up all that unnecessary frustration. Take a deep breath, relax for sometime, a few minutes or hours, whatever does the trick for you. Call up again, and don't let the other person's inability to understand what you're saying or you're stuttering frustrate you.

Sometimes I have a very very hard time talking over the phone.

Heres a technique that could help you or anybody for that matter of fact. Keep a pen and paper with you. And write down what you're speaking alongside. It helps you get into the flow, diverts your attention from your stuttering to the writing. If you're still stuttering on a word, write it again and slowly. Speak as you're writing. No faster no slower.

Hope this helps mate!

[stutterpress]

Haha, after reading the above posts, I'd say dude! Start listening to us, we go through the same things as you do, we're no different!