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There once was a crow in a forum,
Who never intended to bore 'em.
So he kept to the point, and he shook up the joint,
Every word that he said seemed to floor 'em.
You see one day he got quite offended,
He replied in a manner quite splendid.
His intent was ignored, while his words really scored,
A direct hit, that his welcome ended.
Reviled was the crow from then on.
Every word that he said was frowned on.
He knew not what to do, he did not have a clue,
All his readers just thought him a moron.
Now it's hard for a crow to accept,
That some people could think him inept.
For a crow knows too much, for all those out of touch,
But wisdom is a secret best kept.
The crow did what crows can do best.
He peered down at them from his nest.
From a man with a gun, it is wiser to run,
Than to try to convince him he's blessed.
A crow has his own bright ideas,
Unclouded by other men's fears.
He thinks what he wishes, the man shoots but he misses,
A crow is more than he appears.
From high in the sky he can see,
All those things that a thing can be.
It is hard to expound when you're stuck on the ground,
What things look like to one that is free.
A crow doesn't think such a lot.
A crow knows what thinking does not.
“I know what I know”, really sums up a crow,
And all crows know just what they've got.
If you see a crow up in a tree,
Say a big hello to it from me.
Study it well, listen for it to tell,
How you too might end up so free.
But a forum's no place for a crow.
For most people have no wish to know.
What a crow knows inside, as his life opens wide,
Still he cares for those humans below.
He lives his life Asif it matters.
While most people stay mad as hatters.
Though he hopes things will change, still he stays out of range,
When they close in on him, then he scatters.
Consider that solitary crow.
He's so used to you down there below.
Just because he's above, does not mean he can't love,
Though to some its not easy to show.
A crow doesn't care what you think.
The worst thing merely makes him blink.
As he laughs at his life, he has no time for strife,
But by golly he kicks up a stink!
emily445455
12-24-2008, 03:52 AM
Nice poem, which I was creative :)
Re: people being upset with you. It will pass and people (most anyways) will repond to you like normal. And the ones who don't...oh well :)
Adrian
12-24-2008, 04:00 AM
A crow doesn't care what you think.
The worst thing merely makes him blink.
As he laughs at his life, he has no time for strife,
But by golly he kicks up a stink!
For someone who does not care, you sure went to alot of effort write this poem and defend yourself on this group with other posts. You have said several times that you are "done" yet you keep posting???
Mullen
12-24-2008, 04:20 AM
Re: people being upset with you. It will pass and people (most anyways) will repond to you like normal. And the ones who don't...oh well :)
I hope he stays around: I admire his tenacity. "And the ones who don't...oh well.":)
Adrian
12-24-2008, 04:24 AM
I hope he stays around: I admire his tenacity. "And the ones who don't...oh well.":)
I'm not sure why some of the reasonable people here continue to support this guy. He either needs to apologize for his behaviour or leave. But all he is doing is digging a deeper and deeper hole.
He either needs to apologize for his behaviour or leave.
No my friend I do not need to do anything other than what I am doing.
I was unbalanced briefly by the insanity of the attacks leveled at me, but I assure you I will not be unbalanced twice.
No my friend I do not need to do anything other than what I am doing.
I was unbalanced briefly by the insanity of the attacks leveled at me, but I assure you I will not be unbalanced twice.
You are the cause for all the bullshit that started in Mike's thread. You and you alone. You attacked him.
I thought you were leaving this place for good? What happened to that? Since you are not going to apologize for your asshole behavior towards Mike, why stick around? Do you think people are just going to forget your idiotic, right-wing comments?
I'm sure you can tell the members of your weekly BNP meeting how you got the best of those homos. They'll be proud.
How narcissistic can you be to write a poem about being a victim? You are not a victim. You are disturbed. A white, straight man who thinks his world is closing in on him. You moved to the wrong country.
I'm not sure why some of the reasonable people here continue to support this guy. He either needs to apologize for his behaviour or leave. But all he is doing is digging a deeper and deeper hole.
Yes, I've respected the opinions of those people and enjoyed their posts in the past, but it kind of makes them look bad. If it was African Americans or Muslims or Jewish people or women, would you be defending him? I don't get it. The BNP is a reactionary right-wing group, there's not much room for defending, there.
One notes that while I try to contribute helpful speech-related topics to this forum, I am forever beset by homouals who hate me for not agreeing with their lifestyle. While simultaneously being beset by the hatred of those "freethinkers" who support homouality.
Whatever I contribute, they try to destroy. While feeling virtuous for doing so.
What a strange old world it is.
Mullen
12-24-2008, 04:47 AM
I'm not sure why some of the reasonable people here continue to support this guy. He either needs to apologize for his behaviour or leave. But all he is doing is digging a deeper and deeper hole.
I think he's being harrassed and harped on, which only makes matters worse.
If he wants to contribute to the forum, let him do so. Your effort to drive him away is part of the problem. And as for apologizing for his behavior, he's already done so. But where is your apology?
I don't get it.
Don't worry: you will.
And as for apologizing for his behavior, he's already done so. But where is your apology?
He never apologized for attacking Mike, or being a bigot towards homouals (and other groups, I'm sure ;)), he just apologized to "future readers" of his diatribes. That's not an apology, it's a cop-out. It's a tactic people who really aren't sorry use.
awwww....
I had hoped nobody would notice :)
Mullen
12-24-2008, 04:59 AM
One notes that while I try to contribute helpful speech-related topics to this forum, I am forever beset by homouals who hate me for not agreeing with their lifestyle. While simultaneously being beset by the hatred of those "freethinkers" who support homouality.
Whatever I contribute, they try to destroy. While feeling virtuous for doing so.
What a strange old world it is.
Though I'm disappointed with your prejudice against homouals, I fully agree with your assessment of the situation.
Don't worry: you will.
I already got it.
Everything you post is a contradiction. You say you've had all these mind-awakening experiences, but you post as an ignorant, egotistical know-it-all who thinks he has the ability to play mind games with people. I have nothing to prove, unlike you. I speak from experience, because I've actually accomplished things. All you have is your long-winded essays trying to impress us. I've known a lot of intelligent people older than me, much older, who have taught me a lot about life. I owe them much more than I will ever be able to give. They are real, they speak from experience.
I have no apology to give. I am just me, in real life and on here, I will never go into a closet for anyone, or pretend to be straight to make Asif "feel better". That doesn't say much for his enlightened mind if I have to sugar-coat reality for him. Someone as old as him should know better.
Feel free to defend him. It really doesn't matter in the long run, but the next time someone comes on here with an "enlightened" view on Muslims or African Americans, let's try not to defend that person so easily. :)
JDRow
12-24-2008, 05:03 AM
What has Asif contributed, in terms of support regarding stuttering-related topics, other than damaging and false theories (we stutter because we're psychologically messed up, we stutter because we were traumatized, we stutter because we have a false belief that we stutter), narcissistic and near-incomprehensible ramblings, and cryptic little comments that are supposed to seem profound?
I felt the same way when he was posting as Hans, and he didn't say anything about his hatred of homouals in that persona.
Feel free to defend him.
Thank you for permitting others the freedom to defend me.
I was worried there for a moment.
Now we have sorted that out, what shall we do next?
What has Asif contributed, in terms of support regarding stuttering-related topics.
You might ask yourself what have you contributed?
JDRow
12-24-2008, 05:13 AM
You might ask yourself what have you contributed?
At this point, I'm just trying to correct the many damaging false beliefs about stuttering that you are reiterating here.
Do you honestly believe that you are the first person to think "Hmm, I wonder if I wouldn't stutter if I hadn't had such a terrible childhood?" Or, "Maybe if my parents had reacted differently, I wouldn't stutter?" Or, "Since I stutter more when I think certain ways, I must stutter because of how I think?"
You aren't. I'm sure every single person on this forum has thought things like that. And, research has been done to see if they are true, and they aren't. No, you are not going to stop stuttering if you can just convince yourself that you don't stutter, or somehow "reprogram" your mind. "Reprogramming" your thinking isn't a cure for stuttering because your stuttering wasn't caused by how you think. Your stutter wasn't caused by your childhood, or your parents, or your anger. You aren't going to cure your stuttering by expanding your mind. And you aren't helping anybody here by implying that those things are the case.
Sharing subjective experience is one thing, but there is actual research out there on stuttering, and it does indicate that not all theories regarding stuttering are equally true. The theories you are promoting here are false, and damaging.
You might ask yourself what have you contributed?
A hell of a lot more than you have, I'm sure. Why is it that you never respond to any of the dozens of things we've pointed out in regards to your posts? Is it because you know you can't defend those things? You're a pretty out-dated person in almost every aspect. You don't know jack shit about stuttering, or civil rights, or just common decency towards others. You paint me as a bully but I'm not the one who goes around and demeans others for being homoual. That's all on you. ;) I merely stick up for people (e.g. Mike) who are being bullied (e.g. you) for simply asking an honest question.
This really all comes down to is, you've lost any respect you once had, and you will never gain it back. How does that feel?
Mullen
12-24-2008, 05:18 AM
He never apologized for attacking Mike, or being a bigot towards homouals (and other groups, I'm sure ;)), he just apologized to "future readers" of his diatribes. That's not an apology, it's a cop-out. It's a tactic people who really aren't sorry use.
He might very well still believe Mike is a ual predator. I know it's nonsense, but he has a right to his own of view of things. How can we expect him to make a sincere apology when he doesn't believe he's done anything wrong? I think we have to accept him for who he is, good and bad, and leave it at that.
JDRow
12-24-2008, 05:20 AM
He might very well still believe Mike is a ual predator. I know it's nonsense, but he has a right to his own of view of things. How can we expect him to make a sincere apology when he doesn't believe he's done anything wrong? I think we have to accept him for who he is, good and bad, and leave it at that.
He's entitled to his views, but if he's going to be presenting them as "wisdom" (either about stuttering or the state of the world), he should check his facts first.
He's entitled to his views, but if he's going to be presenting them as "wisdom" (either about stuttering or the state of the world), he should check his facts first.
Stuttering Forum: Together we can help each other!
But only if we check our facts first before we say anything.
Wow: that would really cut down the posts.
He might very well still believe Mike is a ual predator. I know it's nonsense, but he has a right to his own of view of things. How can we expect him to make a sincere apology when he doesn't believe he's done anything wrong? I think we have to accept him for who he is, good and bad, and leave it at that.
You can accept him, Mullen, I'm not going to argue with you about your choice of doing that.
But, when you give an inch with those types of people they take a mile. Should we accept someone who is racist against minorities? Would their racist attacks be tolerated and defended on here? No, I think they would be banned. But since it was homouals who were attacked, Asif gives a non-apology and continues to defend his bigotry. That's all I'm saying. Racist views have a zero-tolerance with people, but with ual orientation it's not seen as a big issue.
Mullen
12-24-2008, 05:28 AM
He's entitled to his views, but if he's going to be presenting them as "wisdom" (either about stuttering or the state of the world), he should check his facts first.
Perhaps you should as well. If he wants to come across as wise, then let him do so. If you don't deem him wise, then so be it. I know it's cliche, but it takes two to make a fight, and at this point you a couple others are coming across as real bullies.
JDRow
12-24-2008, 05:28 AM
Stuttering Forum: Together we can help each other!
But only if we check our facts first before we say anything.
Wow: that would really cut down the posts.
Did you read what I said? If you are going to be presenting your views as wisdom from somebody we should be learning from, then you should check your facts. If you were simply sharing experiences in a normal way, rather than like you were the sole repository of knowledge and understanding in the universe, then it wouldn't be an issue.
Wow: that would really cut down the posts.
Yeah, your long-winded "stories" would be cut down to just a few rambling sentences, wouldn't they?
Adrian
12-24-2008, 05:31 AM
He might very well still believe Mike is a ual predator. I know it's nonsense, but he has a right to his own of view of things. How can we expect him to make a sincere apology when he doesn't believe he's done anything wrong? I think we have to accept him for who he is, good and bad, and leave it at that.
Asif has every right to his opinion. If he is anti-, then he is anti- and that is his right. If he is anti-, racist, anti-Islamic, etc. and wants to contribute to this forum, that is his right too. But he needs to keep his opinions on these subjects to himself on this stuttering forum. Where he crossed the line is by attacking a fellow forum member for the simple fact that he does not approve of their ual orientation. This was not only offensive to the initial poster, but to every homoual member of this group (I am sure their are quite a few other then SST). This is simply unacceptable behavior as far as I am concerned. I am surprised you don't feel the same way.
at this point you a couple others are coming across as real bullies.
If people view me as a bully, that is fine. I am innocent here. I am defending Mike's right to post on this forum as a homoual. I am sticking up for civil rights. This isn't a place to dispense out-dated advice and ed up views on ual orientation and politics. Before Asif attacked Mike, things were going along pretty smoothly here.
JDRow
12-24-2008, 05:35 AM
Perhaps you should as well. If he wants to come across as wise, then let him do so. If you don't deem him wise, then so be it. I know it's cliche, but it takes two to make a fight, and at this point you a couple others are coming across as real bullies.
I'm not cling that anybody should lay down at my feet and drink from my deep wells of wisdom.
Asif is doing the same thing he did when he was posting as Hans: he's trying to manipulate a bunch of people he thinks are weak and therefore easy to manipulate into hanging onto his every word and thinking him some of guru. And, the forum took a turn for the worse when Hans was posting, and was overloaded with his long, narcissistic ramblings, and then his back-handed, obnoxious little comments to other posters. Then he'd whine and play the victim, and suck the whole board into his drama. He's doing the same thing here, as Asif. If the board was moderated better, this could be taken care of, but since it isn't, I don't think he should be allowed to play mind games on the people here and use this board to play out his narcissistic fantasies without anybody saying anything.
Careful Mullen: you'll start taking flack soon.
I don't mind: I would rather like to get it over with though.
I am surprised you don't feel the same way.
I would honestly feel dirty defending for someone like Asif. I wouldn't defend a skinhead, why would I stick up for a member of the BNP? Hehe.
I don't mind: I would rather like to get it over with though.
If there were moderators, you would be long gone. :)
I don't think he should be allowed
Note the way in which you will hang yourself.
Shut him UP!!! I don't LIKE him!!!
You don't think before you post.
You run on emotion with the merest hint of intellect.
If there were moderators, you would be long gone. :)
Moderator = mommy?
Whatever will you do without her?
JDRow
12-24-2008, 05:41 AM
I don't think he should be allowed to play mind games on the people here and use this board to play out his narcissistic fantasies without anybody saying anything.
Sometimes you need to read the entire sentence to get the meaning. What I said you shouldn't be allowed to do is play your mind games and work out your psychological issues here without anybody saying anything. Play your mind games. Work through your issues. But, don't expect people to just nod and smile at you, and pat you on the back for your brilliant insights, while you do it.
I said you shouldn't be allowed to.
I know very well what you said.
It's what you always say.
You want to control this forum and you can't.
Get over it.
JDRow
12-24-2008, 05:49 AM
You are honestly one of the most disturbed individuals I've encountered online, which I think I said to you while you were posting as Hans, as well. I don't know what it is about your personality that sets me off so much, because in all honesty nobody else does this to me. I've been on this forum for years and you (in this persona and as Hans) have been the only ones to do it.
But, suffice to say that I think you are a deeply disturbed person, and the most narcissistic individual I've ever encountered. I don't know what pleasure you derive from trying to manipulate people here, or trying to gather up a group of worshipful followers, but I certainly hope it doesn't work out for you. I think your presence is highly disruptive to this forum, but at this point my response is also highly disruptive, so I'm going to let it go. Keep doing what you're doing, I won't bother you, but I do hope that other people see through you and don't buy into the BS you're trying to feed them.
I know very well what you said.
It's what you always say.
You want to control this forum and you can't.
Get over it.
Nor will you ever get respect for anything you have to say. You are a joke. Notice how even the one person who defends you, thinks you are a raving bigot with his head up his ass? ;)
Bigotry will never be tolerated on here, and there is nothing you can do about it. Your kind is a rare breed and getting rarer. How many members are left in your Hitler Reenactment Society? You, and the mind you left in the cave you lived in?
What's that you said? Get over it. It has a nice ring to it. :)
Mullen
12-24-2008, 05:51 AM
Asif has every right to his opinion. If he is anti-, then he is anti- and that is his right. If he is anti-, racist, anti-Islamic, etc. and wants to contribute to this forum, that is his right too. But he needs to keep his opinions on these subjects to himself on this stuttering forum. Where he crossed the line is by attacking a fellow forum member for the simple fact that he does not approve of their ual orientation. This was not only offensive to the initial poster, but to every homoual member of this group (I am sure their are quite a few other then SST). This is simply unacceptable behavior as far as I am concerned. I am surprised you don't feel the same way.
I think the whole thing was handled very badly. His homophobia got the better of him, and we all, myself included, attacked him for it. I think if we put forth the argument that you just did, things would have gone much differently.
I'm going to let it go. Keep doing what you're doing, I won't bother you.
Thank you.
I won't bother you either.
JDRow, you are a good guy. I'm glad most of us stutterers are a kind and gentle group of people.
chris2112
12-24-2008, 05:58 AM
Can I ask you an off topic question Asif?
How exactly does one become a Woodsman?
Mullen
12-24-2008, 06:02 AM
I'm not cling that anybody should lay down at my feet and drink from my deep wells of wisdom.
And if you did, why should anyone care? Just ignore the man.
Can I ask you an off topic question Asif?
How exactly does one become a Woodsman?
I stared for a moment at your question.
Couldn't quite believe it was not just another attack :)
Good question.
I guess you find some woods that you like, buy them if you can, and start looking after them.
Some people need a church to worship in, but all I need is a forest.
The very act of caring for nature is in itself worship.
I don't really know what a woodsman is, but I like the word.
I spend as much time as I can in my forest.
If these pesky attackers would leave me be, I would like to get back to them.
JDRow
12-24-2008, 06:09 AM
And if you did, why should anyone care? Just ignore the man.
I care because I think there are a lot of very kind, well-meaning people on this forum who are willing to take everybody at face value and not consider that some people might come into a forum like this not to help, but to prey on people they believe are weaker than they are. I don't want to see anybody turned into a victim of somebody's little psychodrama, or have mind games played on people who are just being supportive and trusting. I would hope that if I was trying to do that, people would step in.
But, as I said, I really don't want to further disrupt the forum. My feelings about this particular poster are very clear. I don't trust him, I don't think he's here with good intentions, and I think he's looking for people to become pawns in his mind games. I hope he doesn't use the kindness and sincerity of the vast majority of people here against them, but nothing good is going to come out of my airing my issues with him any more than I have.
I think this is highly entertaining, myself. Asif/Hans is a joke.
chris2112
12-24-2008, 06:12 AM
I stared for a moment at your question.
Couldn't quite believe it was not just another attack :)
Good question.
I guess you find some woods that you like, buy them if you can, and start looking after them.
Some people need a church to worship in, but all I need is a forest.
The very act of caring for nature is in itself worship.
I don't really know what a woodsman is, but I like the word.
I spend as much time as I can in my forest.
If these pesky attackers would leave me be, I would like to get back to them.
Agreed, nature is the most sacred thing in my view. It does seem that you enjoy being a victim of "attack here". You keep egging people on and even see things that arent attacks as attacks, hell, you even wrote a poem about it. I think you have alot of experience and wisdom to share, but I dont think your doing it in the right way.
It does seem that you enjoy being a victim of "attack here". You keep egging people on and even see things that arent attacks as attacks, hell, you even wrote a poem about it. I think you have alot of experience and wisdom to share, but I dont think your doing it in the right way.
JDRow said all there is to be said on AsaifHan's narcissistic tendencies. He could write a textbook on it. Why all the premature announcements of departure if he is going to stick around? He loves the attention.
Mullen
12-24-2008, 06:29 AM
If people view me as a bully, that is fine. I am innocent here. I am defending Mike's right to post on this forum as a homoual. I am sticking up for civil rights. This isn't a place to dispense out-dated advice and ed up views on ual orientation and politics. Before Asif attacked Mike, things were going along pretty smoothly here.
Mike seems like a really good person, and that was why I was so hard on Asif when he posted his diatribe. But it is clear that Asif has been stung by the criticism he's received, and there's a point where it's pointless and heartless to shun and ridicule someone to the point of torment. If he should find himself isolated and alone, would that please you?
Mike seems like a really good person, and that was why I was so hard on Asif when he posted his diatribe. But it is clear that Asif has been stung by the criticism he's received, and there's a point where it's pointless and heartless to shun and ridicule someone to the point of torment. If he should find himself isolated and alone, would that please you?
I'm just making him endure what many many people have gone through. Really, giving Asif this attention is my gift, to him. I'm no Grinch. :)
Isolated and alone? Well I thought he lived in a cave. I don't think he fully came back from his journey.
I've spent too much time, though, having my words twisted around, so I must get my beauty sleep. Mullen, thanks for your part in this debate. :)
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