View Full Version : Fluency 3: Aikido in action.
I would like to go to sleep now, but I realized I still had something to do...
SST, JD, ADRIAN, etc...
Did I mention I am an aikido master?
You may not have realized it, but you have been aikidoed.
The harder you come in, the harder you go down.
The faster your attack, the faster you leave.
The more idiotic you try to make me look, the more you look like idiots.
The more bigoted you cl I am, the more bigoted you become.
So now we reach the final scene.
I have no wish to ruin anyone's self image.
Nor will I allow anyone to ruin mine.
I never set out to offend anyone. I was the one who was offended.
But I can see that you were offended too.
And you didn't like it any more than I did.
So I apologize for that: profoundly.
I offer a truce.
You may not like me, nor agree with my views on some things.
But it would not harm you to admit that by now, you hold some grudging respect for me.
All of you fought well and hard for your cause, as did I.
Nobody won, and nobody will.
This is not about winning.
And now it really is my bedtime :)
This has nothing to do with stuttering. Why is it on the stuttering forum?
needausername
12-24-2008, 09:19 AM
I agree, what does this have to do with stuttering?
peebee
12-24-2008, 09:24 AM
This has nothing to do with stuttering. Why is it on the stuttering forum?
Asif and Happy are in an epic battle for the title of the biggest attention on the forum. Happy is still in the lead but Asif is right on his tail and has tons of momentum.
Really why was this posted?
Asif and Happy are in an epic battle for the title of the biggest attention on the forum. Happy is still in the lead but Asif is right on his tail and has tons of momentum.
Aah I see. I am not interested and I doubt anyone else is either.
Seriously, why don't we have moderators who could ban people
and remove irrelevant posts?
Aah I see. I am not interested and I doubt anyone else is either.
Seriously, why don't we have moderators who could ban people
and remove irrelevant posts?
Because that would actually make sense. This is the only forum that I know that is unmoderated.
JDRow
12-24-2008, 03:40 PM
Asif and Happy are in an epic battle for the title of the biggest attention on the forum. Happy is still in the lead but Asif is right on his tail and has tons of momentum.
I feel the need to stick up for Adam here. I know his posts can be repetitive and self-pitying, but I think he is genuinely seeking support, and he usually posts things honestly looking for input from others. I don't think his intention is to make himself the center of attention in the forum.
I have to say, this post (the original one in this thread) kind of makes the whole debacle worth it. Much merriment has been had in my apartment this morning by my gf and I jokingly insulting each other and then declaring "AIKIDO-ED!" I have a feeling we could go weeks before it starts getting old.
Adrian
12-24-2008, 03:46 PM
Because that would actually make sense. This is the only forum that I know that is unmoderated.
It's funny one of the other stuttering forums I belong to is moderated and the moderator takes considerable grief for her "censorship." I wish her critics would pop over here for a while. They would soon appreciate the job she does.
It's funny one of the other stuttering forums I belong to is moderated and the moderator takes considerable grief for her "censorship." I wish her critics would pop over here for a while. They would soon appreciate the job she does.
There's more than one stuttering forum? Hehe. ;)
This has nothing to do with stuttering. Why is it on the stuttering forum?
It has everything to do with stuttering.
This is all about emotion versus reason.
Do you really think I have endured all these attacks because it was what I like to do?
Emotions are useful: they colour the world as we see it. They enhance it.
But if you look, you will see that the emotions of stutterers are completely out of control.
Stutterers become emotion junkies.
Like any addict, the real person takes a back seat to the person's addiction.
Perspective is lost and emotion believes itself to be of absurd importance.
That is why I have pursued this awful ordeal as far as I have:
To illustrate the chaos that uncontrolled emotions result in.
I am not interested in being either liked or popular.
I am very much interested in making available what I have learned about myself in my epic battle to become fluent.
I never imagined it would be so difficult, but as Mullen so graciously admitted:
I am tenacious.
Do you really think I have endured all these attacks because it was what I like to do?
Yes, you do, because you are a narcissist. ;) I think you enjoy reading what you post. I thought you weren't a guru? You're sure sounding like one.
The very special thing about aikido is that there is no beginning point and no end point.
It is all about circles.
It is about going with rather than resisting.
When we start to block, we don't like it, so we resist.
But in the same way that we are not born knowing aikido, we must learn to do things differently. Change is required.
When we start to block, we first must learn to recognize it, resist the urge to use force, and go with that block in order to get past it.
Speech therapists call that a "breathy attack".
Aikidoists call it tenkan: a turning movement that sheds an attack.
Relax and turn - at least in your mind.
Smile as you do it.
A smile disarms very effectively.
I think you enjoy reading what you post.
You are right.
I do enjoy reading my posts.
All my posts are crafted and considered.
Individual works of art.
Very few typos. Unambiguous. Correctly spelled. Powerful and clear.
I wish you would apply these criteria to your own posts.
And that you would try to see the message, rather than emotionally respond to individual words, and to your own biases.
Here is a useful exercise...
We have all encountered jars and bottles where the cap was too tight to remove.
We use more and more force to try to get inside.
The next time, try relaxing your grip on the lid, and visualizing it turning.
Apply this principle to your stutter.
JDRow
12-24-2008, 04:44 PM
Here is a useful exercise...
We have all encountered jars and bottles where the cap was too tight to remove.
We use more and more force to try to get inside.
The next time, try relaxing your grip on the lid, and visualizing it turning.
Apply this principle to your stutter.
"Just relax!"
I bet nobody here has ever considered that before.
You are right.
I do enjoy reading my posts.
All my posts are crafted and considered.
Individual works of art.
Very few typos. Unambiguous. Correctly spelled. Powerful and clear.
I wish you would apply these criteria to your own posts.
And that you would try to see the message, rather than emotionally respond to individual words, and to your own biases.
Actually, you don't use paragraphs. You use some sort of demented "haiku" format. It's rather bizarre. Did you have to watch The Karate Kid trilogy to perfect it? Technically, your posts are far from works of art. I won't get into the bigoted, long-winded aspects of those said posts. :)
The message is obscured by the poster. Which happens to be you. Whatever you're trying to teach us is lost in your condescending, pretentious attitude.
JDRow
12-24-2008, 04:47 PM
Apologies for continuing this. I shouldn't have posted. Dammit, where's the delete key when you need it?
I will attempt to exercise more self-control in the future and, as I said I would last night, not reply to Asif, even when he says things that I think warrant a response.
Apologies for continuing this. I shouldn't have posted. Dammit, where's the delete key when you need it?
I will attempt to exercise more self-control in the future and, as I said I would last night, not reply to Asif, even when he says things that I think warrant a response.
Don't feel bad JD, Asif brings out something in me, too. I just can't help myself. ;)
I feel the need to stick up for Adam here. I know his posts can be repetitive and self-pitying, but I think he is genuinely seeking support, and he usually posts things honestly looking for input from others. I don't think his intention is to make himself the center of attention in the forum.
I have to say, this post (the original one in this thread) kind of makes the whole debacle worth it. Much merriment has been had in my apartment this morning by my gf and I jokingly insulting each other and then declaring "AIKIDO-ED!" I have a feeling we could go weeks before it starts getting old.
Remember you said you would not bother me any more?
Are you a man of his word? Or not.
As for wanting to be the centre of attention:
JDRow: Joined March 2007 : 442 posts.
SST: Joined July 2008: 661 posts.
Asif: Joined June 2004: 274 posts.
Will you please just leave me alone?
Apologies for continuing this. I shouldn't have posted. Dammit, where's the delete key when you need it?
I will attempt to exercise more self-control in the future and, as I said I would last night, not reply to Asif, even when he says things that I think warrant a response.
Apology noted, appreciated and accepted.
Please do post. You have a lot to say.
I admire your intellect, but see that you often use it to tear down rather than construct.
emily445455
12-24-2008, 05:13 PM
I agree, should be in the general chat section.
It has everything to do with stuttering.
This is all about emotion versus reason.
Do you really think I have endured all these attacks because it was what I like to do?
I disagree, your post you started this topic with had nothing to do with stuttering.
I read it and didn't understand what is it doing in the stuttering discussion section.
Be more careful where you post in the future okay.
I don't know what attacks have you endured and why, I was talking about this thread right here.
I disagree, your post you started this topic with had nothing to do with stuttering.
I read it and didn't understand what is it doing in the stuttering discussion section.
Be more careful where you post in the future okay.
I don't know what attacks have you endured and why, I was talking about this thread right here.
Your previous comment was your 53rd. post.
53 is my magic number. Whenever I see 53, I sit up and take note.
As you will see if you look, I am trying to write a series of posts on fluency.
Although a very few people keep trying to wreck everything I write.
I posted an apology in the forlorn hope it might be respected and honoured.
I posted it in the one place I was certain it would be seen by my detractors.
That is why it was where it was.
And telling me to post certain things in certain places is not an excellent way to communicate, as I am sure you will agree.
But I note your concern over this detail, and will try not to offend you in the future.
Your previous comment was your 53rd. post.
53 is my magic number. Whenever I see 53, I sit up and take note.
As you will see if you look, I am trying to write a series of posts on fluency.
Although a very few people keep trying to wreck everything I write.
I posted an apology in the forlorn hope it might be respected and honoured.
I posted it in the one place I was certain it would be seen by my detractors.
That is why it was where it was.
And telling me to post certain things in certain places is not an excellent way to communicate, as I am sure you will agree.
But I note your concern over this detail, and will try not to offend you in the future.
But Asif, did anyone ask for a series of posts on fluency? ;) I mean, maybe if they had actual facts, and not disputed ones from the 1950s.
You go out of your way to make a thread about your "detractors". I must be getting under you skin. ;)
I must be getting under you skin. ;)
Indeed: like a troublesome mosquito that just will not go away.
One of my notable quirks is that I do not kill anything if I can possibly help it: wasps and mosquitoes included.
Everything that lives has a life, and that life is just as sacred as my own.
I see your life as sacred: it is a shame that you do not.
Your previous comment was your 53rd. post.
53 is my magic number. Whenever I see 53, I sit up and take note.
As you will see if you look, I am trying to write a series of posts on fluency.
Although a very few people keep trying to wreck everything I write.
I posted an apology in the forlorn hope it might be respected and honoured.
I posted it in the one place I was certain it would be seen by my detractors.
That is why it was where it was.
And telling me to post certain things in certain places is not an excellent way to communicate, as I am sure you will agree.
But I note your concern over this detail, and will try not to offend you in the future.
I have noticed your series of posts of fluency yes. But it's getting all over the place. Couldn't you just ignore the ones who you feel are trying to wreck everything you write? If what you write makes sense to you, there must be somebody who reads it, agrees with you and finds your views of fluency/stuttering helpful and beneficial.
You could've posted your apology in the general discussion, or even better, send your detractors a private message. Great way to make sure they will see it. And then start a discussion, fluency3, in the stuttering discussion section and make it clearly about fluency/stuttering. So that everyone who haven't followed the arguments in various topics could take part in this new discussion.
I haven't been a member on this forum for too long, less than a year. Lately I haven't been taking part in any discussions, only reading them. I guess I'm complaining here today (sorry for complaining by the way) because this doesn't seem to be the same forum it was and i can't find those people i first wanted to discuss my stutter with or the spirit that actually helped me feeling better about stuttering. Seems much more aggressive and less supportive here. It annoys me. I could go away, stop posting and it wouldn't disturb me anymore what kind of place this is. But I don't really want to, i want to discuss, when i feel i need to, about stuttering with other stutterers.
Couldn't you just ignore the ones who you feel are trying to wreck everything you write?
Could you ignore the kind of attacks I have been subjected to?
But that is beside the point:
Where all this is going, painful as it is, is very interesting and relevant to stutterers who really do want to become fluent.
I see a lot of people gradually becoming aware of their own emotional turmoil.
This emotional angle is rarely even looked at.
Spending all your time reacting instead of trying to understand and communicate
is certainly not going to help fluency.
I hate what I have had to go through here, but I am convinced it has value, to the forum as a whole. So I will not allow the vandals to destroy information that others may see as the key to their own stuttering difficulty.
I see your life as sacred: it is a shame that you do not.
My life is very sacred, and that's why I'm a happy person who isn't afraid to be himself. I will never back down to people like you, and I will not make it fun for you to hold your bigoted beliefs. :) Because my life is sacred, and the lives of other people who have deal with people like you on a daily basis, are sacred.
I will never back down to people like you.
It seems to have escaped your attention, but there is nothing for you to back down from.
You are the one who attacks non-stop, vandalizing everything I post here.
You even called my wife a blow-up doll.
Now really: how hard is it to see yourself?
The only thing I have against you as a person, is that you are most phenomenally rude.
It must be very important to you to have someone to accuse of everything bad that you exhibit in your own behaviour.
It will only hurt you ultimately, and certainly your pro- agenda.
It seems to have escaped your attention, but there is nothing for you to back down from.
You are the one who attacks non-stop, vandalizing everything I post here.
You even called my wife a blow-up doll.
Now really: how hard is it to see yourself?
The only thing I have against you as a person, is that you are most phenomenally rude.
It must be very important to you to have someone to accuse of everything bad that you exhibit in your own behaviour.
It will only hurt you ultimately, and certainly your pro- agenda.
You are the one who went out of his way to attack Mike. Did you not? ;) And you still haven't apologized to him. You only apologized to your "followers" and you still won't admit you have offended anyone, just that you yourself were "offended" by a mere acknowledgment of something that you think is a "sickness".
People like you are what is wrong with society. You and your BNP buddies may blame "tolerance" for the downfall of society, but I say the blame lays on you and people like you who hold antiquated and irrational views.
Like I said, I'm not going to make it fun for you to hold those beliefs. :)
Like I said, I'm not going to make it fun for you to hold those beliefs. :)
How nice that you have found a reason for living.
How nice that you have found a reason for living.
You're more of a hobby. :)
You're more of a hobby. :)
After due consideration of what appears to be your unchanging, never-ending attacks upon anything and everything I write, this is the only response you will ever get from me.
You are evidently a masochist and I will not give you pleasure ever again.
Asif.
aww i was so looking forward to more insight in post three. Sincerely.
well on to post 4
Nate
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