What has changed here?

[Asif]

When I first returned to this forum, I noticed several things:

You (the few who post) were all at each other's throats.
Very few posts were coherent, well written or well presented.
There was not a lot of thought going on, only immediate opinion.
Almost nothing was related to stuttering.

Now I see distinct differences:

Now you are a group again, though you are all at my throat :)
Now you are far more united in your actions.
Now you are having to use your intelligence, and enjoying it.
The standard of writing, focus and presentation has risen through the roof.
Now there is a real debate going on about stuttering, which is what this forum is about.

The Grand Crow Prize goes to Ultra-Violet, who has changed - in a week - beyond all recognition.

There have been across-the-board increases in:
Honesty.
Openness.
Problem-solving.
Willingness to engage in difficult subjects and in difficult circumstances.

What has not yet changed much:
Emotional responses.
Use of logic.
Willingness to see another viewpoint.
Compassion.

But all in all, spectacular progress in only a week.
I thank you all for your participation.
Because - against all expectation - I also came away with rewards too great to mention. I know far more now than I did a week ago.

[Adrian]

Wow! You sure do have a high opinion of yourself. The great Asif has guided all his minions to reach their full potential. I guess we have all been Aikidoed!

[Asif]

Interesting isn't it, what we read into things.

[chris2112]

Interesting isn't it, what we read into things.

What else could we read out of that? Your obviously putting on a show for us. When you post just as another regular person on this forum, just putting in your own 2 cents without making it a big show your actually quite helpful and interesting. Since you havent done that much, and instead post epic threads about truth and how you have effected this forum, people cant help but to think your just a joke trying to cause conflict.

[Asif]

What else could we read out of that? Your obviously putting on a show for us. When you post just as another regular person on this forum, just putting in your own 2 cents without making it a big show your actually quite helpful and interesting. Since you havent done that much, and instead post epic threads about truth and how you have effected this forum, people cant help but to think your just a joke trying to cause conflict.

Maybe conflict has its uses.
And actually, I didn't choose it.
I said what I thought, which made some people fraught,
Which quite quickly caused them all to lose it.

[Asif]

I dangled a carrot before you,
But I never intended to floor you.
I can't be to blame if you play this mad game,
But I certainly do not abhor you.

[chris2112]

Maybe conflict has its uses.
And actually, I didn't choose it.
I said what I thought, which made some people fraught,
Which quite quickly caused them all to lose it.

Of course we all have conflicting views. Your the only one who chooses to thrive on it. for fun?

[Asif]

Of course we all have conflicting views. Your the only one who chooses to thrive on it. for fun?

Conflict for some is a pain.
While others see something to gain.
If you win, if you lose, is only in your views,
And my views on this are very plain.

[nate]

Conflict for some is a pain.
While others see something to gain.
If you win, if you lose, is only in your views,
And my views on this are very plain.

Asif u really are good at poetry. you should make a compilation of all the ones u've used and make a thread. its really good. i mean that sincerely.
do you do it for a living? are u published?
Nate

[Asif]

Asif u really are good at poetry. you should make a compilation of all the ones u've used and make a thread. its really good. i mean that sincerely.
do you do it for a living? are u published?
Nate

I make it up as I go along.
My wife thinks it's amazing but I attach no value to it.
It can be fun though.
And I don't need to make a living.
I have far more than I need already.

[JDRow]

Asif you're really not so great;
all you do is whine and hate.
Anyone can make words rhyme
if that's how they spend their time.

Sorry, dude. Not at all impressed with you or your verse.

[nate]

I make it up as I go along.
My wife thinks it's amazing but I attach no value to it.
It can be fun though.
And I don't need to make a living.
I have far more than I need already.

all the more reason to, i hear rich artists make it alot more often than poor ones! flex that creative muscle. perhaps then, u wont get on everybodys nerves all the time.

and JD, i sincerely think he's pretty good, really! i couldnt come up with that stuff as fast as he does.
nate

[Asif]

Asif you're really not so great;
all you do is whine and hate.
Anyone can make words rhyme
if that's how they spend their time.

Sorry, dude. Not at all impressed with you or your verse.

awwww...

And here I was thinking how clever
I was at putting words together.
Though you'd like me to quit, still I don't give a shit,
I don't think I'll give it up ever.

So why don't you give it a break.
To out-rhyme me's your biggest mistake.
You've lost every battle with your meaningless prattle,
So easy the piss is to take.

[sst]

Since you havent done that much

Actually, he's never been helpful. He is a parasite, attached to the body of this forum. Eventually, he will fall off. ;)

are u published?

Yes he is! Sign up here (http://www.bnp.org.uk/) to get his weekly newsletter! What a delicious sea of white on that site.

[Asif]

Now why do you think there's a link?
On my website, now what do you think?
For all muslim brothers, to see that the "others",
Are not quite as bad as you think.

But it's just SST that spews venom.
His brain is the size of a lemon.
I can see him right now, on his knees with a cow,
And the both of them dressed up in denim.

Please do check into the BNP,
They are people who long to be free.
From the militant s, and not having a say,
In their future, and how it should be.

[sst]

Now why do you think there's a link?
On my website, now what do you think?
For all muslim brothers, to see that the "others",
Are not quite as bad as you think.

But it's just SST that spews venom.
His brain is the size of a lemon.
I can see him right now, on his knees with a cow,
And the both of them dressed up in denim.

Please do check into the BNP,
They are people who long to be free.
From the militant s, and not having a say,
In their future, and how it should be.

Which shade of brown are your shirts? Milk chocolate or dark? Tan?

Very very white, straight, very very old, homophobic and racist men and women don't have a say? I must have forgot who's in charge of the world's power. :) "Militant" s, that's funny.

Are you going to exclusively post in riddles and poems from now on? Have you finally tired of being ignored, so now you have to find a new way to get attention?

[Asif]

A boring young boy from some place,
who came to this forum from space.
He came out of a closet, having lost it, where was it?
And what's that all over his face?

I don't like to think what it is.
I think that's best left to some whizz.
To figure it out, leaving us in no doubt,
If it's yoghourt or if it is jizz.

[sst]

My goodness, do you sit around all day and ponder what is on my face? You sure are a creepy one.

[Asif]

My goodness, do you sit around all day and ponder what is on my face? You sure are a creepy one.

There are some things I don't have to guess,
what it is, I really could care less.
It is what's underneath, with whom I have a beef,
And I'm now taking a short recess.

[Violet]

[QUOTE=Asif;30051]
The Grand Crow Prize goes to Ultra-Violet, who has changed - in a week - beyond all recognition. [QUOTE]

Who? Me? Yeah i know i can be pretty ultra! :D (or is there an actual person called Ulta-Violet?? :confused: in which case i will go now...)

If you are referring to me, i find it interesting considering that i haven’t replied to nearly most, if not all, of your posts..

I think, and don't shoot me down guys, that you Asif do have good points, and i have always thought that (except for the infamous mike post)... you just sometimes seem to bring your points across in ways that appear to be highly insulting and rude... but if you ignore everything that offends you i find that Asifs posts are actually quite enlightening in an oddly quirky way.

... for example, The Mammoth Post (Fluency 6) I think that is true for some people and while they might have siblings who experienced the same thing and never stuttered, perhaps they were never meant to stutter? Perhaps, as i believe, stuttering is a fault in the brain, a fault in your brain, not your siblings brains, and it is triggered more by external factors - such as traumatic events- and even if you lived the ideal life you may still stutter, but perhaps not as much, perhaps you could have coped better, perhaps it would have been better in your child hood years? i don't believe having a bad mother causes stuttering, and neither does lying, being emotional, etc, etc.. but i think that in some people factors such as these can make it worse, whether for a short period of time or for the long run..

Like i was thinking about this.. and when i was two my mother had a still born and she became seriously depressed because she blamed herself and she later told me that the first day she didn’t cry was when she found out she was pregnant with my brother which was two years later.. I remember her being depressed, and her depression carried on for many years past her giving birth to my brother, it just improved, kinda... and i never felt close to her until i was in high school, when i think she finally completely recovered.. Its weird because i remember being closer to my father when i was very young.. but then from when i was about 12-16ish i absolutely hated him because i felt so hurt by him because of various crap.. and now i am indifferent to him but have recently become slightly closer to him...
I am pretty sure that if i had the "ideal" parents i would still stutter. I just think that i would have handled it far better..

And another example that just came to me: The Lying Post (Fluency 7)
People are complex. You are complex. I am complex. Asif is complex. :p Sometimes you can lie to yourself without fully realising that you are doing so.

Here is how i could sort of relate it to my (somewhat limited) experiences:
When i was younger and had to see my dad more frequently and my stepmother ruled over my brother and i, she used to treat us like we were nothing. We couldn't use the same tissues as them (and they were just your average box of tissues), she would get angry if we ate too much (i soon became scared of eating in front of her because i believed i was using to much of earths resources) she would get angry if someone even mentioned the words 'sliced bread/canned fruit/any other normal everyday object' (she would go on this hour long rant to the world about everyone who ate/used this product were the biggest bunch of idiots in the world and she would be like seriously trying to pick a fight with a 12 year old girl, who was so scared to talk to her that she was practically mute, and who didn’t even like sandwiches!)
And anyway, i became very depressed and wanted to kill myself because i believed that i was a waste of space, but i never blamed her, because in my mind everything she said and the way she acted was correct - that i was worthless. I started to hate my father because he is spineless and never stood up for us and the one time i told him how we actually felt he laughed and secretly got married to her half a week later... but yeah years later i came to the realisation that i was deflecting the hate i felt for myself onto my father and stepmother (although i hardly ever openly fight/scream at people.. so it was all hate that built up inside of me).. i was using so much energy to hate them and think about the injustices so that i wouldn’t have to think about my stutter. To think about my stutter was so painful that i felt as if i physically and mentally wouldn’t be able to cope with it so i just locked it away.

So in this sense i was lying to myself and was never able to address my stutter and attempt to fully improve because i wouldn’t let myself pause to think about it because at the time i knew i wasn’t strong enough to do so..

haha and yes. Asif you have pretty cool posts.. everyone just needs to take it with a grain of salt. :D

[Asif]

[QUOTE=Violet;30170][QUOTE=Asif;30051]
The Grand Crow Prize goes to Ultra-Violet, who has changed - in a week - beyond all recognition. [QUOTE]

I want to comment but I can not.
I am just too impressed with your post.
Magnificent!

[Adrian]

[QUOTE=Asif;30051]
haha and yes. Asif you have pretty cool posts.. everyone just needs to take it with a grain of salt. :D

Violet, I mean no offense toward you, but please don't lead this guy on. The group owner is MIA and Asif really needs to leave this group and stop being a rude and disruptful presence. I really don't care if he makes an occasional good point; the vast body of his work is nothing more then rude, idiotic, ramblings. He always has to have the last word and he is dragging this group down into the gutter. It may only take one fairly positive post like yours to make his twisted mind think people are actually looking to him for guidance.

Anyway, do what you think is best, but those are my thoughts.

[Count]

I noticed that Asif has become the object of intensive forum hate by some members. Is this necessary? Why do we have to hate on each other?

[Asif]

[QUOTE=Violet;30170]
I really don't care if he makes an occasional good point

Hmmm. I can't argue with that.
Very nice of you, though, to give Violet your permission to do as she wants.
Can I have permission too? Please?
I hadn't realized it was your forum.

[Asif]

[QUOTE=Violet;30170]
he is dragging this group down into the gutter.

Are you completely daft? Can you not read? Try again:
This thread is entirely about bringing this group out of the gutter, and without your precious input, that is what is happening.

Violet was braver than any of you, going against to mob to offer support, not for me, but for the ideas I raise.

And how is it I can drag anything anywhere? And you are unable to?

[Adrian]

I noticed that Asif has become the object of intensive forum hate by some members. Is this necessary? Why do we have to hate on each other?

The whole thing started with one very hateful post from Asif. At that point he did take considerable heat from many in the group. I believe this is a forgiving group and Asif could have diffused the situation with an apology at that point, but instead he hurled more insults and dug himself into a deeper hole. Eventually under intense pressure he offered a half hearted apology, but it was too little too late. He has no one to blame for his situation but himself.

[Asif]

Sorry Violet: that quote looked like you said something you didn't say.
Adrian said it.

[Asif]

The whole thing started with one very hateful post from Asif.

You can't leave it alone can you mein obersturmbahnfuehrer.
What do you consider hateful?
That I consider activity something best left out of a stuttering forum?
Did I ever imply I hate s themselves?
No I did not, have never, never will.
That's called freedom of speech.
That is me being true to myself.
That is a religiously held belief.
The only hate-crew around here are SST, JDRow and ADRIAN.
Give it up, adolf.

[Adrian]

You can't leave it alone can you mein obersturmbahnfuehrer.
What do you consider hateful?
That I consider activity something best left out of a stuttering forum?
Did I ever imply I hate s themselves?
No I did not, have never, never will.
That's called freedom of speech.
That is me being true to myself.
That is a religiously held belief.
The only hate-crew around here are SST, JDRow and ADRIAN.
Give it up, adolf.

Why are you still here? Nobody wants you here. Your early supporters now don't like you, and your one lone supporter thinks you "appear to be highly insulting and rude". Why not cut your losses and move on? I looked over your website and you live in a beautiful place with beautiful animals, why not go out in the snow and enjoy that? Why continue to sit in front of your computer in a place where you are not wanted?

Anyway, I am sure you won't go. You seem to have something to prove this group and you must have the last word on everything. Or maybe you will prove me wrong and take the high road and leave quietly like a gentleman.

[Asif]

Or maybe you will prove me wrong and take the high road and leave quietly like a gentleman.

I do not have to prove you wrong.
You have already proved it to one and all.

I am a gentleman when in the company of gentlemen.
I am the baddest boy in the room when that is what is called for.

I outclass you in every way, you simply are not bright enough to realize it.
Have you ever - in your life - tried wearing your enemy's shoes?
You have not.
Or you would see that a gentleman never slinks away with his good name sullied by oily self-important guttersnipes like you.
If you were me, you would endure the unendurable to redress the wrongs done to you.
This is the responsibility of any true gentleman.
It is known as honour.
Look it up in the dictionary.

[Count]

mein obersturmbahnfuehrer.


This is called correctly: Oberststurmbannführer

You called him a Nazi. This is a pretty nasty insult in the German language. Better stop it Asif or you get banned like 202.

[Asif]

This is called correctly: Oberststurmbannführer

You called him a Nazi. This is a pretty nasty insult in the German language. Better stop it Asif or you get banned like 202.

Wrong: translated it means:
High Storm Station Leader.
Nothing to do with nazis. It is a rank in the german luftwaffe. Which - as far as I know - is not a nazi organization. Only a military one.
But he was - in fact - behaving like a nazi.
That's what I took exception to.
And you know what?
I am a little tired of people telling other people what to do.
Do what you want.
Stop reacting emotionally to every little fart that comes along.

[Adrian]

This is called correctly: Oberststurmbannführer

You called him a Nazi. This is a pretty nasty insult in the German language. Better stop it Asif or you get banned like 202.

Count, my mother is German so I know all about this. This is how Asif handles criticism, he hurls insults instead of trying to find common ground. Look through the archives and you will see why this guy is not well liked.

[Asif]

Count, my mother is German so I know all about this.

Ah now I understand your desire to control everything around you.

[Adrian]

you would see that a gentleman never slinks away with his good name sullied

Your "good name"? Asif? Yeah it would be the end of the world if that were soiled. My god you would have to come up with a new screen name!!! Nobody here knows or cares what your real name is, so just go.

[Adrian]

Ah now I understand your desire to control everything around you.

So now you are insulting Germans. It never stops with you.

[Asif]

so just go.

Terribly sorry old boy, but I don't jump on your command.
We Brits didn't do that in 1939 and we try our best to not do it now.
You are beyond all reason, and I have done my work here.
So I don't care what happens from now on.
Do your worst, but don't expect it to be pleasant.

[Asif]

So now you are insulting Germans.

Not Germans, for whom I have a lot of respect.
Just you.
Only you.
Sweeeeet yoooooouuuuuuuuu.

[Asif]

Now back to the subject of this thread.

Since I returned to this forum, I noticed it had been taken over by the delusions of the few.
How did this happen?
Stutterers are masters of deception.
Why?
Because robbed of normal communications skills, they must resort to other ways to achieve their goals.

Some forget: I was one of you.
I am not now, and from what I have seen lately, thank God for that.

None of you - and I mean none - are particularly pleasant.
You get up on your high horses over nothing and have enormous difficulty stepping back down.
You lend support only to whip it away again when it suits you.
Your emotions do the talking and nobody does the walking.

You have to be - literally - demolished before you will back down and consider things.

You don't want to hear this. I can see why.
You all go around seeing yourselves as perfect, while another part of you hates what you are.

I didn't subject myself to any of the misery I have been put through here because I enjoyed it: well, I did enjoy writing fast-comeback limericks.

I came here to shake you up to the point where you started being objective again.
If you felt uncomfortable, well too bad. That's life.
You seem never to have met anyone who cares about you from the perspective of a stutterer. Well you have now. And nothing you can say or do will change that.

While I don't like any of you, I sure don't hate any of you either.

You could make a lot of use of my willingness to be on tap for you.
But I am not going to offer much longer, or ram it down your throats any more.
If that sounds condescending, arrogant, patronizing: I don't give a flying .

I can speak.
You can not.
I once stuttered.
Now I do not.
I can help.
You can not.

Use it or lose it. Any offers?

[Derek181]

i havent read the forum much lately like for the last few months or something. but about a month back i came and clicked on a thread and started reading i got about as far as one of asifs posts and i immediately canceled the window and havent returned until now. i despise this guy and i have only read a few of his posts. he seems like an arrogant moron. your not impressin anyone with your poetic verses and .... you try too hard in your posts.. like who cares about presenting every post like your writing a harvard graduate paper... dont even bother responding to this post cuz i dont care what u gotta say..... you will probably sit there ( with the dictionary and thesauras at your side) and write some epic post mumbling on with useless shit