My Pagoclone Journey

[Loriner925]

Hi Folks,

I'll be updating all as I go along with the Pagoclone research. I went in on Friday for my first visit. They took a blood and urine sample. Hooked me up to a EKG machine. Video recorded me reading a story from a paper (stuttered very heavily) and made me talk about my favorite movie (didn't stutter that heavily). They also gave me a $50 stipend check; though my whole trip costs me about $20. My next appointment is in 4 weeks.

[Jimmy169]

Goodluck with it! Thanks for keeping us up to date.

[Box of Clocks]

It will be interesting to see what progress you make. Thanks for the update.

[sst]

Man am I jealous. I was accepted but didn't go to the clinic site.

[urbanmermaid]

Man am I jealous. I was accepted but didn't go to the clinic site.

I'm really jealous too. Why don't you call them and get another appointment

[Keyo]

Thanks... keep us updated :)

[sst]

I'm really jealous too. Why don't you call them and get another appointment

I think they drug test. It'll be at least a month before I could possibly go because of that. I'm not sure if that will be too late, I think they stopped accepting candidates.

[Gopes]

I already started taking Pagaclone and I am progressing a lot. Blocks are gone and am minor stuttering now. I am surprised that I am building confidence to talk.


Hi Folks,

I'll be updating all as I go along with the Pagoclone research. I went in on Friday for my first visit. They took a blood and urine sample. Hooked me up to a EKG machine. Video recorded me reading a story from a paper (stuttered very heavily) and made me talk about my favorite movie (didn't stutter that heavily). They also gave me a $50 stipend check; though my whole trip costs me about $20. My next appointment is in 4 weeks.

[Gopes]

I already started Pagaclone(nearly 1 month) and having +ve results. Blocks are rare and gone. Building up self confidence. I am sure that there is definitely good science behind this. God Bless those scientist who discovered it.

[speedlimit]

I just came back from visit #2. I spoke with the Pharm researcher in charge of the Northeast region study. They were expecting to fill all the spots in 6 months and it took just 2-3 weeks he said. They still haven't officially closed it so if you're still considering it, contact them.

He DID have very good news about Pagoclone's future. Because there is 5 years worth of study data on this drug already. After this Phase IIB, they will submit a report to the FDA and will likely be able to SKIP a final phase and put the drug out in as soon as 1 year. The drug has an exceptional safety record so far and 5 years worth of trial data is GOLD in terms of going quick through FDA approval. It will also be covered under medicade.

He admitted the dose of the drug in this phase can be pretty low, but in 6-8 months when the open label trials begin. Higher doses will be used and everyone will receive the drug =).

As for my visit 2, I received my 2 month supply of the double-blind study drug. I check in by phone in 2 weeks and report back for another appointment in 6 weeks. They do drug test each week with a urine test along, height/weight, blood pressure, anxiety surveys and the videotaped reading/speaking sample. The second week's topic was your favourite hobby.

[Jimmy169]

So what are the side effects of this drug? I mean what does it do...to the best of your knowledge?

[Gopes]

I am under clinical trial for pagaclone. Its been more than 2 weeks and I am feeling more fluent. At the very beginning when I started pagaclone I had soar throat. Right now everything looks fine and I am more relaxed, few blocks, but overall unexpected satisfaction.

[Loriner925]

I just came back from visit #2. I spoke with the Pharm researcher in charge of the Northeast region study. They were expecting to fill all the spots in 6 months and it took just 2-3 weeks he said. They still haven't officially closed it so if you're still considering it, contact them.

He DID have very good news about Pagoclone's future. Because there is 5 years worth of study data on this drug already. After this Phase IIB, they will submit a report to the FDA and will likely be able to SKIP a final phase and put the drug out in as soon as 1 year. The drug has an exceptional safety record so far and 5 years worth of trial data is GOLD in terms of going quick through FDA approval. It will also be covered under medicade.

He admitted the dose of the drug in this phase can be pretty low, but in 6-8 months when the open label trials begin. Higher doses will be used and everyone will receive the drug =).

As for my visit 2, I received my 2 month supply of the double-blind study drug. I check in by phone in 2 weeks and report back for another appointment in 6 weeks. They do drug test each week with a urine test along, height/weight, blood pressure, anxiety surveys and the videotaped reading/speaking sample. The second week's topic was your favourite hobby.

Your already on your 2nd visit, nice! Mines in 4 weeks. Can't wait until I get the drug. Fingers are crossed and I hope I don't get placebo. You should update everyone on this thread as well.

[urbanmermaid]

I just came back from visit #2. I spoke with the Pharm researcher in charge of the Northeast region study. They were expecting to fill all the spots in 6 months and it took just 2-3 weeks he said. They still haven't officially closed it so if you're still considering it, contact them.

He DID have very good news about Pagoclone's future. Because there is 5 years worth of study data on this drug already. After this Phase IIB, they will submit a report to the FDA and will likely be able to SKIP a final phase and put the drug out in as soon as 1 year. The drug has an exceptional safety record so far and 5 years worth of trial data is GOLD in terms of going quick through FDA approval. It will also be covered under medicade.

He admitted the dose of the drug in this phase can be pretty low, but in 6-8 months when the open label trials begin. Higher doses will be used and everyone will receive the drug =).

As for my visit 2, I received my 2 month supply of the double-blind study drug. I check in by phone in 2 weeks and report back for another appointment in 6 weeks. They do drug test each week with a urine test along, height/weight, blood pressure, anxiety surveys and the videotaped reading/speaking sample. The second week's topic was your favourite hobby.

omg 1 year! This is soo cool :)

Why don't carry out tests in Europe not just in the States grrr

[JohanZombie]

If everything goes well. How long will it take until this medicine is available for us?

[speedlimit]

12-16 months is the optimistic estimate from the pharmacy rep I met with. =)

[Loriner925]

12-16 months is the optimistic estimate from the pharmacy rep I met with. =)

That's great news!

[JohanZombie]

12-16 months is the optimistic estimate from the pharmacy rep I met with. =)

Thats pretty cool :)

Any idea if it will be available in Europe at the same time?

[urbanmermaid]

I think it takes up to 6 months for a drug to be made available in Europe

[Violet]

I think it takes up to 6 months for a drug to be made available in Europe

and probably a lot longer for it to hit Australia :mad:

[JohanZombie]

I think it takes up to 6 months for a drug to be made available in Europe

That long... thats pretty f-ed up. On the other hand if it really works i guess it worth waiting for.

I've been pretty sceptical about medicine against stutter ever since.. but I've started to look at it differently lately. I think I would try it if i got the opportunity today.

[Mike85]

I think it takes up to 6 months for a drug to be made available in Europe

That fast? Doesn't it usually take years before it hits Europe?

[urbanmermaid]

That fast? Doesn't it usually take years before it hits Europe?

It'll definitely take yrs for the company that originally makes Pagaclone to authorise another company over here to produce it. But you can always import it. And yeah I asked my doctor and she said that it could be 6 months max :P

[Mike85]

It'll definitely take yrs for the company that originally makes Pagaclone to authorise another company over here to produce it. But you can always import it. And yeah I asked my doctor and she said that it could be 6 months max :P

Ah I see. Importing it will be a costly matter for me though. My health insurance doesn't cover that and you can bet that these pills won't be cheap either. :(

[urbanmermaid]

Ah I see. Importing it will be a costly matter for me though. My health insurance doesn't cover that and you can bet that these pills won't be cheap either. :(

yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking too. There's only one company in the whole world that makes Pagaclone, it's a very new drug, promising, blah blah, member of a new class. They know very well that there will be a huge demand for it. I hope it doesn't cost a house with a pool and the dog lol. But even if it does, we all know we'd still give it a try lol :p

[Violet]

yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking too. There's only one company in the whole world that makes Pagaclone, it's a very new drug, promising, blah blah, member of a new class. They know very well that there will be a huge demand for it. I hope it doesn't cost a house with a pool and the dog lol. But even if it does, we all know we'd still give it a try lol :p

If it turns out to have a huge success rate i would give a metephorical arm and leg for it :p

does anyone know if it helps blocks or repetitions more? because i heard ages ago that certain medications tend to only help certain types of stuttering and doesnt work for all people.. :confused:

[speedlimit]

Ah I see. Importing it will be a costly matter for me though. My health insurance doesn't cover that and you can bet that these pills won't be cheap either. :(

It will be on medicade. Whatever that means. It will be wicked expensive yes but covered my medicade and all insurance.

[speedlimit]

It'll definitely take yrs for the company that originally makes Pagaclone to authorise another company over here to produce it. But you can always import it. And yeah I asked my doctor and she said that it could be 6 months max :P

Yeah, I've you're willing to pay. You in theory could get it mailed in small amounts black market from the US.

[spacebow]

Sweet, if it really is covered by medicade, I'm golden. And the progress sounds great, I just hope this sudden flood of good news isn't too good to be true.

[peebee]

thanks for doing this and keeping us updated

[Loriner925]

I went into the office again to retake my blood test and urine sample. They had mentioned they had a error with my blood test. Something about my CY or KY being too high, something involving me excersizing before the test; which I never did that day or the day before. They weaned off answering in full; I'm sure they just misplaced it or lost my precious blood and urine.

[Keyo]

I dont think they allow those mistakes of misplacing people's urine and blood samples, which leads to saying the wrong results to the people... these mistakes are just brutal.. i hope they are working precisely there..

[stutteringesq]

Hi. I went in 3 weeks ago for my initial visit, and had an amazingly fluent afternoon. Probably stuttered only once or twice on the video. Do you think I will not be included?

[Loriner925]

I dont think they allow those mistakes of misplacing people's urine and blood samples, which leads to saying the wrong results to the people... these mistakes are just brutal.. i hope they are working precisely there..

We'll see what happens in my next official appointment in 2 weeks. I'll email the lead supervisor in charge of the Pagoclone study tomorrow and see what that was all about. It did cause me to miss my class and that took 4 hours away from my day.

[jankren]

Oh Lord, I cant wait for this drug.

[nerrad]

At this point in my life, I'm depending on this drug. I hope it comes out in 6-12 months, and pray it comes out before college

[milknbutter]

If it is in trial mode currently won't it be a further 3 - 5 years away?

[Rich]

I'm in the study too. Been taking the pills about 3 weeks or so. May be helping a little bit. Has anyone else in the study noticed mild laryngitis like symtoms?

[grantM]

That could be swine flu :)

[KevinEvans]

If this works, i'd do anyting for it! I wonder if they'll have it for <18 aged too... I cant wait til it gets released >_>

[Kaboulianz]

Hello everyone,

Just want to add to this thread as I too am part of the study for a few months now. I started taking the medication on my second visit which was on may 2nd. I am currently on the third bottle ( they give you 3 bottles to last you until your next visit, but not all on the same dose). The thing is that in my case I didn't really stutter that bad in the first visit, so when the clinic got the results back, I was at 3.1% stuttered syllables or words. To be part of the study , they told me you have to be above 3%, so I was lucky to get in. Because of this I really do think I am on the placebo, as I have not noticed anything while taking the medication. When I say nothing, I mean no side effects, no dizziness the first time and week I took the medication and no help for my speech. Its really like I'm just taking a blank pill that has no effect on me. But I am really optimistic about this pill , so I still drive 13 hours from canada (back and forth) to be part of this study even tough I am on placebo because they told me if you stay through the whole trial, you will eventually get the real medication. I've also heard many good things about this medication because I am in contact via email with other people that are in the study who are getting better results than me. Others are on the placebo for sure too.

So I will also keep you updated , as there is a chance that on my next visit on june 27, they will switch up the medication and take me from placebo to the real medication.

In the meantime, while all these trials are going on, let's be hopeful for the future and concentrate on doing other things that will also improve our lives and speech. Just a word of advice, doing breathing exercises and relaxation techniques everyday will work wonders for your mind and your speech, especially in the long term if you stick to them.

[urbanmermaid]

If it is in trial mode currently won't it be a further 3 - 5 years away?

GOD i hope not!! As far as I know this phase ends soon and the drug should be released about this time next yr! Fingers crossed!

[Stamr]

Are they taking any new hamsters? haha, cause I would have loved to try this out. I'm so excited to see how this turns out... and I WANT this pill haha ugh.

[jackfate]

Maybe you are getting placebo.

On another note, you guys might know this already that this drug was initially developed for premature . During testing, someone noticed that it had a dramatic impact on stuttering and here we are now.


Hello everyone,

Just want to add to this thread as I too am part of the study for a few months now. I started taking the medication on my second visit which was on may 2nd. I am currently on the third bottle ( they give you 3 bottles to last you until your next visit, but not all on the same dose). The thing is that in my case I didn't really stutter that bad in the first visit, so when the clinic got the results back, I was at 3.1% stuttered syllables or words. To be part of the study , they told me you have to be above 3%, so I was lucky to get in. Because of this I really do think I am on the placebo, as I have not noticed anything while taking the medication. When I say nothing, I mean no side effects, no dizziness the first time and week I took the medication and no help for my speech. Its really like I'm just taking a blank pill that has no effect on me. But I am really optimistic about this pill , so I still drive 13 hours from canada (back and forth) to be part of this study even tough I am on placebo because they told me if you stay through the whole trial, you will eventually get the real medication. I've also heard many good things about this medication because I am in contact via email with other people that are in the study who are getting better results than me. Others are on the placebo for sure too.

So I will also keep you updated , as there is a chance that on my next visit on june 27, they will switch up the medication and take me from placebo to the real medication.

In the meantime, while all these trials are going on, let's be hopeful for the future and concentrate on doing other things that will also improve our lives and speech. Just a word of advice, doing breathing exercises and relaxation techniques everyday will work wonders for your mind and your speech, especially in the long term if you stick to them.

[JFan]

Hello everyone,

Just want to add to this thread as I too am part of the study for a few months now. I started taking the medication on my second visit which was on may 2nd. I am currently on the third bottle ( they give you 3 bottles to last you until your next visit, but not all on the same dose). The thing is that in my case I didn't really stutter that bad in the first visit, so when the clinic got the results back, I was at 3.1% stuttered syllables or words. To be part of the study , they told me you have to be above 3%, so I was lucky to get in. Because of this I really do think I am on the placebo, as I have not noticed anything while taking the medication. When I say nothing, I mean no side effects, no dizziness the first time and week I took the medication and no help for my speech. Its really like I'm just taking a blank pill that has no effect on me. But I am really optimistic about this pill , so I still drive 13 hours from canada (back and forth) to be part of this study even tough I am on placebo because they told me if you stay through the whole trial, you will eventually get the real medication. I've also heard many good things about this medication because I am in contact via email with other people that are in the study who are getting better results than me. Others are on the placebo for sure too.

So I will also keep you updated , as there is a chance that on my next visit on june 27, they will switch up the medication and take me from placebo to the real medication.

In the meantime, while all these trials are going on, let's be hopeful for the future and concentrate on doing other things that will also improve our lives and speech. Just a word of advice, doing breathing exercises and relaxation techniques everyday will work wonders for your mind and your speech, especially in the long term if you stick to them.


Wow...13 hours, DAMN! I feel pretty damn lucky to have my study site only 45 mins from me..... We started Pagaclone about the same time it seems....because I'm very close to starting the 3rd bottle as well. It's tough not to know if you are or aren't on Pagaclone...but like you, I felt that if I could get through the 8 months of trials..I knew I would be on Pagaclone at the end as the option. We'll see..... :D

[Kaboulianz]

Wow...13 hours, DAMN! I feel pretty damn lucky to have my study site only 45 mins from me..... We started Pagaclone about the same time it seems....because I'm very close to starting the 3rd bottle as well. It's tough not to know if you are or aren't on Pagaclone...but like you, I felt that if I could get through the 8 months of trials..I knew I would be on Pagaclone at the end as the option. We'll see..... :D

definitely worth the trip if it's going to help me in the long run... the way I see it is I'll try all the possibilities to make my speech more fluent or die trying... we only live once from what we know.

I'll keep you updated after my next appointment on June 27th, hopefully I get the real medication and see a difference.

take care

[Rich]

I start my 3rd bottle tomorrow. The first bottle I think was placebo since it had no effect on my speech. The second bottle may be having some effect. I have a severe stutter but the severity tends to vary, almost in cycles where I have good and bad weeks or months. From the morning I started the second bottle I felt like my speech was in a relatively good cycle and its lasted until now. I wasnt sure if it the medication or just natural variation in my speech cycles. Im still not 100% sure but I believe its probable that the medication may be having a positive effect on my speech. I still stutter but less severely. Before I started in the study I was worried about the possibility of tranquilizing or mind altering side effects. The good news is that if I am indeed taking the medication and not the placebo, this medication has produced zero side effects in me. No mind altering or tranquilizing effects and I feel completely normal. The only thing I noticed and it could be due to allergies or something else was a very mild laryngitis feeling in my throat.

[ahmed]

good luck my brother

[GoodGuy]

I hope this eventually gets released in the UK.

[ricardo]

In UK and everywhere else in the world. I try not to let my stuttering to control my life but the possibility of a drug that can reduce stuttering or even cure it its just too good to pass.

[numba0]

Any updates????its been awhile

[howeee]

I went through that pagaclone study about 3 or 4 years ago ,,I dont know whats taking so long for them to get it to market. I had success,,I would take it if I could get it.

[fearfactory]

once it is out in the market.. do we need dr.'s prescription.. ? or it would be an over-the-counter drug..?

[ricardo]

Hi howeee, Can you describe your meaning of success? Did you achieve 100% of fluency? If not how much and it was in every situation or in specify ones?

I didn't know they were testing it for that long..

[howeee]

well no, I didnt have 100% fluency, but my speech was definately improved.
The woman doing the study thought also my speech was much improved while taking the drug. the situations she observed me in, were video taped questions and answer sessions and discussions with her. I think my speech was much improved in every situation.

I would for sure take the drug, I had no side effects.

[howeee]

probably you would need a prescription,,but thats no big deal,,most doctors wll give a stutterer medication within reason to help their speech.

[ShyMichael]

Reading your post really made me happy,i wonder wen it will reach Nigeria.well am so ahpi4u.plz do keep us posted wit recent happenings THANKS ALOT!!!!!!!!!!!

[SiLeSs]

Hola ratboy. La cita no estuvo mal. Me recetaron Sertraline, un antidrepresivo que tanbien actua contra la ansiedad. La medico no sabía nada sobre el tema y le tuve que soltar toda la pelicula. Particulararmente esta teniendo un efecto nulo, como si tomara aire. Tengo una ilusion plena en Pagoclone, sería un gran estímulo en la vida de muchos de nosotros. Un saludo.

[agantx]

Hi Folks,

I'll be updating all as I go along with the Pagoclone research. I went in on Friday for my first visit. They took a blood and urine sample. Hooked me up to a EKG machine. Video recorded me reading a story from a paper (stuttered very heavily) and made me talk about my favorite movie (didn't stutter that heavily). They also gave me a $50 stipend check; though my whole trip costs me about $20. My next appointment is in 4 weeks.

It's great that you decided to share your journey. I hope it will help you and teach all of us many valuable lessons. Good luck! :D

[dkc2420]

How is the research on Pagoclone coming? Are there trials going on right now,or have they stopped and given up on the drug? I signed up for a trial but I think they stopped taking participants. Anybody have any news on this wonder drug? :-)

[Rich]

I am going to wait until I have been in the open phase for a while before I discuss my experience. I will start the open phase in January.

[ForeverYoung]

Jesus. Back when they were taking applications I looked up the nearest site and its only like 10 minutes from me. I KNOW I should have signed up.

[Kaboulianz]

I`m going in the open label phase in december, I also will keep you updated, but just to let you know, there are people that have gotten great results from what I was told. I have noticed zero for speech enhancement and side effects, there is a big chance I am on the placebo, I will know in december when they give me the real meds

[indigo178979]

I was turned down for the pagoclone's study because when I was asked to read, I was totally fluent. The next day, I was in a speaking situation and stuttered terribly. Stuttering sometimes is so unpredictable.

[marktb68]

I never thought I would say this but here it goes... When Pagoclone comes available, I am taking it!!

I always thought, and still somewhat do, that its weak to take a pill to overcome stuttering, but lately I just think something "beyond our conscious control".

I still don't understand how we can speak alone and have problems speaking to others. I don't see how taking a pill will cure this, or maybe its all a placebo effect.

Mark

[howeee]

nobody is saying Pagoclone is a cure,,,when used for somthing else,,they thought some stutterers,,had improvement in their speech. They then started a study to try and confirm improvment in the speech of stutterers who use Pagaclone. I have taken the drug,,and felt I had a lot of improvement, not cured.

[Stevelaz]

Howeee,

When you took the drug, what kind of a reduction in stuttering did it give you?

Are you a blocker or do you repeat more?

I assume that you were part of the original study?....were you not allowed to continue with the open part of the trial?....as I understand that once you have been part of the double blind portion of the trial, that they would continue to supply the drug to you.

Did you feel a difference in tension that allowed you to speak better or was it something else?

Kind regards

[milknbutter]

Anyone here who have information as to when they will be available to the general public? Usually trials basically means another 5 years of development and testing and more development and testing?

Are we in the initial cycle or this is it, we will be seeing Pagoclone on the shelves soon?

For such an important drug, the information on this drug is so scarce and also peoples willingness to share more information. The billions the industry will make with this drug, etc, still no real concrete information, quite disheartening really. You would think, people would be going bonkers around the world regarding this drug especially considering 1% of the world's population stutters.

[Loriner925]

I will be on open-label soon 5-6 weeks...

[howeee]

I am more of a blocker, my blocks were reduced and more mild lol (0:

I drove 3 hours each way to get to the study. And yea they would continue the drug for another month or so,,but no not continue the drug for a long time, and you had to keep going,,it was too far for me.

I havent heard the drug would be available in 5 to 6 weeks,,,where did you hear that?

Its been like 3 or four years since I was in the study.

[Kaboulianz]

after this week, 2 more weeks left than I go on the open label phase, I can't wait to see the results it will have on me as I am convinced I was on the placebo the whole time because they labeled me as a mild stutterer when I first joined the study ( yes I've seen people that stutter a lot more than me, but obviously they labeled me as mild because they never saw me in my worst stuttering moments) Anyways I will start updating the next week following my december 12 visit at the clinic , I hope it won't take time for me to see any results while on the medication.

[howeee]

You got it wrong,,,its a blind study..u get the real drug or the placebo randomly,,the people who administer the drug have no idea if u get the real drug or not. So whether you are mild or not has nothing to do with it.

I went through the study about 3 or 4 years ago. You didnt read all the material they gave you or you would know lol. Hence why they call it a BLIND study.

howie

[watermelon]

stop the testing phase, bring Pagoclone out now! I'm sick and tired of this BS. I really had a good phase during the last 2-3 weeks. Now my stuttering is coming back again and I really feel "handicapped".

[Thomkatt]

The RN told me that if you were on the real dug from the start that you would be on the real drug for the duration. Could have sworn that the material said that it would be random though. But know that every pill I have taken has had an effect on me so it seems the RN is right but don't know.

[Kaboulianz]

yes you are right that the people at the clinic have no idea if you get the real drug or placebo, but the ones running the study who decide who's eligible or not know exactly what drug you are getting. So the study is a blind study for the patient who shouldn't know what he's on so that it doesn't affect the results.

[Stevelaz]

It's a DOUBLE BLIND study, so neither You nor the person who gave it to you knows if its the drug or a placebo.......you were a number and the drug was given randomly to that number.

The double blind study is almost complete at all centres across the USA and once completed (in the next couple of weeks) the results will be LOCKED DOWN and analysed.

Once once they have been analysed for effectiveness and side effects, will it be know if it will move to phase III trials.

Phase III will be a larger study with more participants and even if all goes well, it will be another 2 years before Pagoclone hits the market, and thats if it all goes well and smoothly.

This from from an interview that Jerry Maguire did with Stuttertalk last week.

Sory to dash peoples hopes, but if the drug works, it will happen, but not for another 2 years, unless they get some excemption from Phase III....but thats unlikely.

[howeee]

as Steve pointed out,,its a double blind study, the drug is administered at random,,so there is no way they picked u out cause they thought you were a mild stutterer and gave you a placebo,,give it up,,it didnt happen.

[Rich]

The RN told me that if you were on the real dug from the start that you would be on the real drug for the duration. Could have sworn that the material said that it would be random though. But know that every pill I have taken has had an effect on me so it seems the RN is right but don't know.

There is an 8 week “washout” period in the study. During this time eveyone who is on the medication is given placebo. This is to study the effects of stopping the medication.

[howeee]

There is an 8 week “washout” period in the study. During this time eveyone who is on the medication is given placebo. This is to study the effects of stopping the medication.

I dont know where u got that from,,,there wasnt even that amount of time to have an 8 week washout...after the initial study I was offered to come for another 4 weeks or so,,to take the drug,,that would NOT be a placebo. It was a 3 hour ride for me,,so I didnt take them up on that.

[Rich]

I dont know where u got that from,,,there wasnt even that amount of time to have an 8 week washout...after the initial study I was offered to come for another 4 weeks or so,,to take the drug,,that would NOT be a placebo. It was a 3 hour ride for me,,so I didnt take them up on that.

I’m talking about the 8 month study going on now. For people in that study there is an 8 week period during which people on the drug are given placebo.

[Thomkatt]

I have an appointment next Wednesday and plan to get to the bottom of the washout period thing.

[Rich]

I have an appointment next Wednesday and plan to get to the bottom of the washout period thing.

I know it’s hard, but I would resist the urge to overthink what you are getting. Just go with the flow. You are part of a scientific study and as such are contributing to the science that may benefit us. You will be on open label soon enough.

You can read more info about the specifics of the study at the FDA clinical trials site:


http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00830154