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Do you stammer when speaking out loud alone?
If you don't, then the issue is other people not some brain affliction. Have you tried it? If not, try, you may be surprised at yourself.
kghayesh
08-23-2006, 09:18 PM
Well, Stuttering is an issue that has to do with people of course. Why do you think you stutter less/more with certain people than all other people ??
That's what make me always think that stuttering has some psychological issues in the background too.
Jonte
08-23-2006, 10:02 PM
I am convinced that stuttering, in the root, is 100% psychological. Why do I stutter less/more with certain people like kghayesh said? Why do I talk fluent when talking to myself, kids and very old people?
studentdoc
08-24-2006, 02:34 AM
Most of us dont stutter when we speak alone... I think our brain is trained to travel a certain pathway when we speak in front of people ... and "untraining" the brain and "retraining" the brain to take another pathway seems farfetched :confused:
studentdoc
08-24-2006, 03:04 AM
Here is an interesting article on stuttering ... also mentions speaking alone (http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/611197/learning_turtle_speech/index.html?source=r_health)
Vermillion
08-24-2006, 03:51 AM
my theory is
there are different amount of stress in your brain in different situations. when you are alone, this stressline is very low, and doesn't send your speech mechanism into chaos. however, when you are in front of other people, there is a lot more stress.
actually, research has shown that your stresslevel increases just if 1 person is in your presence
Good response!
Who mentioned 'untraining and training', student doc, not me. The issue is to think differently and remodel thinking, While training can do that so can teaching and insight.
Now as to stress, Vermillion, what is associated with the stress. How are you stressing yourself, what are you thinking immediately someone is there? Especially, is your attention on you or the person you are talking to or the topic you are talking about? I would take a large wager that your attention is firmly on what you are talking about or the other person if, like Jonte, the person is a kid but reverts to yourself if someone else comes into your orbit. Am I right? If so it isn't about the 'stress', it is about how you are stressing yourself. Also, stress can be felt as interest or excitement mislabelled as 'stress', judged negatively, since they all involve an adrenaline and cortisol elevation. Just as having too much coffee can mislead us into thinking we are nervous when our heart rate increases and our hands tremble!
Also deep down what are the standards that you are applying to how other people should see you and are they old and needing renewed or are they unrealistically high - whichever: they will be there. What are the shoulds about how you and others relate.
Well? Answers on a postcard..................
RickyC
08-24-2006, 10:10 PM
The brain is so powerfull, it can take control of our subconcius and make us do things we don't want to do.... like stutering.
Mot of our (stutterer's) subconcious are programed to make us tense up and stutter when talking with other people or certain people. We have no control over this... sure, we can always use tricks and techniques to get around it, but WHY should we make an extra effort to try and attemp to talk fluent? It's not fair that we have to work so hard just to
Who mentioned anything about 'untraining' and 'training', Student doc, not me. Easier to change the thinking that underlies the behaviour and that doesn't necessarily mean training: teaching and insight are easier. As to pathways, they are lines of thought rather than, primarily, neural ones.
Vermillion, stress isn't something out there that we get or that gets us. We stress ourselves by how we think about the states of affairs that we find ourselves in. And to talk of 'amounts' of stress should be understood as metaphoric.
Jonte, how ( not why) is it that you think differently about some people and not others? If you work out the differences in the standards that you are using you might get some insight into how you are judging others and judging yourself vis a vis others.
Who mentioned anything about 'untraining' and 'training', Student doc, not me. Easier to change the thinking that underlies the behaviour and that doesn't necessarily mean training: teaching and insight are easier. As to pathways, they are lines of thought rather than, primarily, neural ones.
Vermillion, stress isn't something out there that we get or that gets us. We stress ourselves by how we think about the states of affairs that we find ourselves in. And to talk of 'amounts' of stress should be understood as metaphoric.
Jonte, how ( not why) is it that you think differently about some people and not others? If you work out the differences in the standards that you are using you might get some insight into how you are judging others and judging yourself vis a vis others.
'untraining' and 'training', Student doc? Change the thinking that underlies the behaviour and that doesn't necessarily mean training: teaching and insight are easier. Pathways are lines of thought not fixed neural ones.
Stress is something ew do to ourselves it is no more an affliction than a phobia. We stress ourselves by how we think about the states of affairs that we find ourselves in. And to talk of 'amounts' of stress is metaphoric, Vermillion.
Jonte, how is it that you think differently about some people and not others? If you work out the differences in the standards that you are using you will get some insight into how you are judging others and judging yourself vis a vis others. And this will change how you speak to adults. In this, stammering is very similar to a phobia.
Stress is something we do to ourselves in how we think of people or situations be they kids or adults. We can change our thinking without training. Stammering is not a brain damage situation in most cases.
I don't stammer AGOFCR. Why so upset? I suggested an exercise to find out something useful for those who feel that this is an affliction. I say again, if you only stammer when speaking to others then all the mechanics are correct and speaking is only about how you are thinking of others, or yourself vis a vis others, that is the issue, and that is about standards and judgments, not voice production.
Karate is block and attack, jujitsu is pull when pushed and push when pulled. Muscularity isn't the way forward it makes for tenseness and that doesn't help. Diplomacy!
Well!!
As a technowally I find this site difficult to navigate. But it is interesting how a chap can be misquoted even when the quote is written down and that has happened a couple of times recently, although I am grateful for the replies. I am not trying to lecture and am sorry if it comes over like that. Sometimes things don't come out the way one means them to.
The background is that a close relative of mine stammers and I am intested in Behavioural Modelling. Why does my relative stammer - I am not her therapist so I can't say.
The point I was trying to make above, is that many sites and agendas suggest that stammering is due to something in the brain - genes, damage etc. While this is true in a few cases most of the folk on this site won't fit that description. And what I was trying to do was challenge it, and to present the speaking alone option as a convincer. I have read a lot of the info and links on the British Stammering Association website, which I find to be excellent, and am impressed by the number of views, but particularly by the stories of successful change. An affliction doesn't inspire hope but a behaviour can be altered and we can have hope of taking control.
An exercise I have used with someone who speaks stammeringly is the following: Sit alone and, out loud, describe the room you are in to yourself, and describe in detail in the objects around you, spending about 20 seconds or so on each object, just keep talking. I know it sound daft but it is a good exercise in directing attention from yourself to the objects - notice the shift. Then, do a similar exercise with someone else in the room. Don't look at them just look around the room and describe each object to them in a similar way for 3 minutes or longer if you like.
Let us know how it goes.
Well, Power of Three, have you really carried out the exercise exactly as I outlined it? and if so what facts did you learn? The suggestions were fairly specific. Or did you do something like it and think that is near enough (perhaps, but perhaps not) and if so what did you learn. The devil is in the detail.
The exercise can provide a lot of feedback and insight. If you want NLP techniques then get Bodenheimer's book. I gave them up.
I sense that I am causing irritation beyond what is useful to any of us so perhaps I should sign off. Bye
bignick
08-29-2006, 04:17 PM
I sense that I am causing irritation beyond what is useful to any of us so perhaps I should sign off. Bye
DPM,
I have been sitting in the background reading you preaching and telling us what we have to do to get rid of our stutters. This is so ironic that you dont even have one and yet you are an expert.
If you talk to people like they are stupid you will get nowhere, in my humble stuttering opinion your above quote is the 1st bit of writing from you that makes sense.
Standingtall
08-29-2006, 05:42 PM
DBM, welcome to the forum, if I haven't already done so. I understand you want to understand your cousin and why she stutters or stammers or understand her feelings. I suggest have her visit this forum if she is having problems, then you will helping her and you will understand her better once she starts sharing her feelings on this forum. I'm nearyl 40, so I have been around and tried and read many ways to get rid of my stutter. I though about the gene thing, but I figure someone else produced anotther person who wants to rule the world, so maybe I will have an another Eistein. Who knows. I'm not against people who don't stutter wanting to learn and understand us, but please don't push stuff on us and act like we haven't heard it or tried it before. Best of luck with trying to understand your cousin.
xoxoemzxoxo
09-01-2006, 03:20 PM
Yes i do stutter when speaking out load alone. Espially when im at school talking to my class. I hate it. I can never do speaches. Can someone help my by giving me a way to not stutter when talkng to my class. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sulligogs
09-06-2006, 12:02 AM
Just my two cents...
I must admit that if I am at home alone doing chores that I will probably will find myslef talking to thin air. Whether or not I am speaking sense or speaking clearly is a different matter.
Another thing I've mentioned before is that I do have a strong tendancy to stutter in my thoughts. I will repeat words over and over again before finishing a sentence. But that's not a problem when it's hidden up there.
But couldn't stuttering be nothing more than the natural reaction from the human body? I mean, when nervous or under stress you can find that one might blush and another might fidget, whilst another again might wink and wince etc. A stutterer might be just someone who loses control of their breathing and mouth co-ordination. But, probably being the most obvious of reactions it carries some psychological baggage with it into adult life. Who knows?
Then again ... (gasp with long breath)... what if you stutter long enough that it actually becomes a part of who you are? Then, surely, whenever you meet others and in the name of sincerity, subconsciously, you have no choice but to stutter because you are telling them that that is the person who you are and that that is the person they should expect??? Deep man. Might explain why stutterers perform worst at interviews and telephone calls because people like to know who they're dealing with.
Too much thinking I'm off to bed!
Sulligogs
Just my two cents...
I must admit that if I am at home alone doing chores that I will probably will find myslef talking to thin air. Whether or not I am speaking sense or speaking clearly is a different matter.
Another thing I've mentioned before is that I do have a strong tendancy to stutter in my thoughts. I will repeat words over and over again before finishing a sentence. But that's not a problem when it's hidden up there.
But couldn't stuttering be nothing more than the natural reaction from the human body? I mean, when nervous or under stress you can find that one might blush and another might fidget, whilst another again might wink and wince etc. A stutterer might be just someone who loses control of their breathing and mouth co-ordination. But, probably being the most obvious of reactions it carries some psychological baggage with it into adult life. Who knows?
Then again ... (gasp with long breath)... what if you stutter long enough that it actually becomes a part of who you are? Then, surely, whenever you meet others and in the name of sincerity, subconsciously, you have no choice but to stutter because you are telling them that that is the person who you are and that that is the person they should expect??? Deep man. Might explain why stutterers perform worst at interviews and telephone calls because people like to know who they're dealing with.
Too much thinking I'm off to bed!
Sulligogs
I was reading some book (it's been discussed on here before) and it said that when people get nervous there muscles tend to tighten up. There are a couple of mishaps in our brain (every brain has little mistakes the book said, this one just effects us a lot) lay out that make our vocal cords tighten up.
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