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cath
09-11-2006, 01:12 PM
Hi
I have a four year old who has had a stammer from around the age of two.
A lot of the time it appears that his brain is going faster than his words can come out ...any way to cut a long story short I wonder if anyone on here that has a stammer/stutter could tell me if they think in pictures? That sounds a daft question I know :confused: let me explain:
Although my speach is fluent I loose track of what I'm saying in mid sentence and I'm forever saying..... 'what was I saying '?
I have always had problems with time keeping, organisation skills and remembering things like where I parked my car! Times table and maths just lost me completely.
I had an assesment that showed that I had poor working memory ( the part of the memory that holds information for a short time i.e instructions telephone numbers etc) I was therefore diagnosed with dyslexia, although I consider my problems more as dyscalculia but in the uk dyscalculia is not really well known about so I think everything tends to get lumpt together as dyslexic......
so anyway, ......I began to look into how people learn as my teenage daughter has just been assessed with poor working memory too. What I found was that most people learn auditory but some people think in pictures, I was chatting to my niece saying how I found that a little odd as everyone thinks in pictures and she asked me what I meant so I said 'well if I said there's a cup of tea in the kitchen for you, you would picture a cup of tea wouldn't you''? She began to laugh and said 'no, I would just think, oh there's a cup of tea for me in the kitchen'
I started to ask around and was amazed to find most people dont think in pictures because I have a mental picture for everything! Often if someone relates an experience it plays out like a video in my mind.
I also looked into working memory and found it interesting that part of it is called the phonological loop this is where (if I understand it correctly) sentence is held before speech as in a conversation.
I know my little boy thinks in pictures because he uses his hands to show me what he can see in his head and once when I told him there was no rush to tell me because I'm listening he said I have to tell you quickly or I wont remember.
So my point is:
Is there a link between thinking in pictures, dyslexia/dyscalculia, working memory and the phonological loop? For example if a person thinks in pictures AND has problems within working memory and the phonological loop, it could well be that the time it takes to 'see' what wants to be said and convert that into a sentence takes longer than the phonological loop part of the memory can hold on to it, hence, part of what wants to be said begins to fade out and results in stuttering while the mind is trying to relocate what wants to be voiced....if that makes sense??? I wanted to ask everyone elses opinion on this theory because if there is a link there are also memory programs to help strenthen the working memory which may, in turn help with the stammer.
Sorry for the long drawn out post but I've been looking into this for a while now and wanted to share what I've learnt :) It is heart breaking to watch other children walk away from my son when he is trying to get out what he wants to say :( and I want to help him early so that he has a chance of fleuent speech.
Thanks for reading please tell me what your thoughts are I'm really interested in what everyones oppinion is.
take care
Cath
Oh yes and one last thing....if I ask my son to repeat a sentence that I say first he doesn't have a problem with his stammer ...I wondered if that was because the whole process was so much shorter and he has time to get his words out before they fade away?? just a thought??

bignick
09-11-2006, 01:54 PM
Hi Cath,

Welcome to the forum. Thanks for your posting, its quite interesting the points you have raised, I for one dont think in pictures but still have a stutter,
Its certainly a possibility with what you are saying though about having poor working memory but I am the opposite as I am really good at remembering phone numbers, instructions, peoples name etc.
I am sure that people on here whos children have stutters might be able to tell you if they think in pictures or have poor working memory.

I can feel your heartbreak when children walk away from you son when he is talking, children can be very cruel a lot of the time. It seems to me that you are doing everything possible to help your son be fluent speaking and I wish you success in doing this.
Have you thought about mentioning your research to the doctors or speech therapist, give it a go as it might help.

Good luck and keep us informed how things are going.

Nick

Standingtall
09-11-2006, 06:42 PM
Hi Cath,

Welcome to the forum. Okay, so you and I and Steven, are very similiar. I can see that cup of tea, but our vision of that cup is different. I am very good with faces, but losy with names. I can see the big picture, but get lost in the details getting to the big picture. I can speak from my cultural, and we are very visual people. Our language is based on descriptions. For example. We don't have a word for Chair, but we have a words for saying 'come and sit down'. I am sure many culturals in the world are very similiar. This is a very interesting subject. I can also feel words, I can pick up feelings when someone writes them, I'm sure many people are the same way. Speak to your son, using descriptive words and he can understand very well.

I have twin girls who turned 5 last week and they both stutter, but they have each other. I know how you feel, but right now they don't seem to be bother by it. They are very vocal at getting their points across, they got a few boys on their heels. I seen one of my daughters stop an couple boys in their tracks, with a stern look and hands on her hips. She turned around and walked away very purposely. I couldn't help, along with the boys parents, laught our heads off. The best of luck with your son, you have come to the right place and we are all pretty willing to help in anyway we can.

cath
09-11-2006, 08:03 PM
Hey Thanks , you guys have really made me feel welcome!
I took my little boy to see a speech therapist almost a year ago now and I have done everything she suggested but his stuttering is getting worse not better I have other children and I can tell this isn't the same as a hic cup in learning to speak, this is a full blown stutter!
I am willing to take things slowly and encourage others to do the same (i.e grandparents, play group etc..) if I can see an improvment but when he is still struggling and just beginning to get a twitch in his eye from trying so hard then I have to look a little deeper to try and find a way that I can help him.
When he said '' I have to tell you quickly or I will forget'' it triggered something in me and I wondered if there was a link to this being genetic with my own memory problems. I'm not saying that this is the case for everyone. hey, we are all unique so it is logical that what applies to one person may not apply to another.

Standingtall, I also can feel words, I can get lost in the emotion of a word.
Elliott can I ask what kind of s/t your children receive? I really want to 'do something' and not sit idly by watching his speech getting worse day by day while being fobed of by speech therapists' that charge a fortune, telling me to do what I've already been doing for over two years....it's just so frustrating.
got to go now and put my baby to bed.
thanks again everyone it's been very therapuetic to write my thoughts down and to vent!
Take care
Cath.

Standingtall
09-11-2006, 10:55 PM
Your welcome Cath. Some people on this forum, they almost put their feelings on their words and I get an impression. Good luck.